Oakland A's Sign Yoennis Cespedes, Marlins Left in the Dust
After news came out of the Marlins' offer to Yoennis Cespedes, a lot of us felt that there was still a ways to go for negotiations, but that the Marlins were the rightful front-runner for the outfielder's talents. It turns out that the Oakland Athletics ended up with Cespedes's services, as they have signed him to a four-year deal worth $36 million. Cespedes will move to an outfield that has little depth and the A's will get a potential star around whom to build their team. It was a perfect marriage for Oakland and Cespedes, as he will get opportunity very soon and the A's will get someone who can anchor their lineup if and when they finally resolve their stadium and potential relocation issues.
On the Marlins's side, this does not really change much. Sure, the Fish were interested in getting Cespedes, but they were almost certainly going to open the season with Emilio Bonifacio playing a hefty amount of center field. Not signing Cespedes means the Marlins will not have another future piece around whom to build, but it does allow for more playing time for Bonifacio and Bryan Petersen. Neither of these players are long-term options for the club at the position, but for the immediate future, the Marlins can work with this spot as among their weaker positions.
PECOTA projections just came out, so let's take a look at some projections for the two players involved in center field this season. Here are lines for Bonifacio.
| Projection | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| PECOTA | 661 | .262 | .314 | .335 |
| Bill James | 487 | .276 | .338 | .354 |
| RotoChamp | 630 | .282 | .351 | .374 |
| Fans | 627 | .276 | .338 | .353 |
My gut says that PECOTA is too pessimistic on Bonifacio's strong 2011 season, while RotoChamp is very clearly too optimistic on that very season. The Fans and Bill James look like they have it best, and those numbers are useful but not great.
Here are Petersen's projections.
| Projection | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| PECOTA | 289 | .257 | .326 | .372 |
| Bill James | 256 | .274 | .353 | .400 |
| RotoChamp | 231 | .260 | .359 | .380 |
All the three systems that projected both players have projected Petersen to be a better hitter than Bonifacio. This isn't too surprising, as both players had excellent 2011 seasons when looking at both their major and minor league numbers. Petersen is not better by much, but he has the advantage of having the platoon advantage for the majority of his PA, particularly because Bonifacio is not a true switch hitter and is disadvantaged batting from the left side. I have mentioned in the past that the Fish should look to manage the two players more like a traditional platoon, favoring Bonifacio slightly but substituting him more often versus right handers because of his poor numbers as a lefty hitter. Based on these projections, I would be correct to look for this.
Yes, the Marlins missed out on a potential big name, though one that did come with some risk. Nevertheless, the team will go into 2012 with some decent parts in center field that could still pan out, though certainly both players manning the position have major question marks.
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I still think
We should look into trading Gaby Snachez for Marlon Byrd…. Or maybe see if Kosuke Fukudome is interested in playing at a more reasonable price than he was paid in Chicago.
not horribly disappointed although it would have been nice
what ticks me off is hearing that we are the front runners again on another big player only to have him sign with someone else. what is the front office doing to screw up these signings?
the A's offered more money
thats not our fault lol. If you think Cespedes was worth paying him 9 million a year, then sure, they fucked up. But in no way did I think he was ever worth that much.
Ithink his value is being overestimated in my opinion. and with him going to the AL, its simply not a concern for us anymore.
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by Gatorfan4life on Feb 13, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Which other signings did the front office "screw up?"
The Pujols signing is more likely to be a screw-up for the Angels than for any team that fell short of the Angels’ bid. CJ Wilson would have received more money from us, but he chose to take less from the Angels to go there. I can’t think of another possible signing this year that the team “lost out on.”
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by Michael Jong on Feb 13, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
those are the other 2 i'm referring to
what did the angels front office do that the marlins did not?
In the case of Wilson, be in Los Angeles
In the case of Pujols, offer him more money and pay him too much. Which is why neither case is really a “mistake” by the franchise, in my view.
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by Michael Jong on Feb 16, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm perfectly happy with a Boni-Petey platoon
Both are speedy center fielders with average defense for the position, plus a pretty fair .330-.350 OBP. For about $3 mil combined, we get probably about 3.5-4 WAR from the combo, which is pretty solid value.
What about him?
He’s a sub-.700 OPS guy who was average at best defensively as a corner outfielder, and totally hapless in center. If he has a spot on this roster, it’s as a utility guy. (And even that’s assuming he can still fill in at second/third.)
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
He's a career .283/.350/.414 hitter
In that respect, he could still be a league average or better hitter based on his career stats. Of course, next season he is going to hit worse than that more likely, but the real problem is that he doesn’t have a position. The Marlins shot themselves in the foot by converting him to outfield when they had “outfielders” (if one could call LoMo that) coming up. Combine that with his injury and his struggles, and suddenly he is out of a starting role and looking at a bench spot for the time being.
He really cannot be a center fielder, and as an outfielder, he is too much of a tweener in the Scott Cousins / Bryan Petersen mold of hitter. He has an uphill climb back to respectability.
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by Michael Jong on Feb 16, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
If the marlins could get Oswalt on a 1 year deal
and at a fairly cheap price I’d go for it.
Other than that I guess some Minor League deals wouldn’t be a bad idea….Bullpen depth never hurt either.
For now I’ll just hope the Marlins don’t hand the job to Boni, give Peterson and Cogz and Cousins and Rowand a chance. I like boni….but he is probably the 2nd or 3rd most replaceable of the Marlin batters.
That being said I would really like a platoon to start 2012.
I think the marlins would be wise to look for a CF at the trade deadline (BJ Upton, Victorino?).
Depending on how the SP does that might be another area to target for a trade
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Depends.
If Boni can repeat his .361 OBP from last year, that’s not exactly “replaceable”… and it’s certainly well ahead of anything the other guys you mentioned can do. (And for a guy with speed, it’s certainly a good enough number to hold down a no. 2 lineup slot.)
Of course, if he doesn’t, that’s another matter.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
But how repeatable is that number?
Highly unlikely, according to the projections.
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by Michael Jong on Feb 14, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe — but the problem with projections is, they weight everything the same way for every player. (And I’m saying this as a pretty strongly pro-stat guy.)
Before last season, Bonifacio struggled with the high fastball. Pitchers learned to throw him the high fastball. Last season, he learned (or appeared to learn) to handle the high fastball a lot better, and that was the main key to his improvement. This seems, to me, like a tangible development.
Now, assuming Bonifacio continues to hit the high fastball, and assuming pitchers don’t find another similar strategy to neutralize him, how relevant are his 2010 and earlier stats? I’d say they have almost no relevance — they apply to a hitter who no longer exists, a non-high-fastball-hitting version of Bonifacio. But projections have no way of taking that hypothesis into account.
(And granted, the hypothesis depends on some assumptions. I’ll admit that. But I feel like, as assumptions go, they’re fairly solid ones.)
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
That may be the case
But I’ll point out something else: assume all the improvement in plate discipline is true and he walks exactly 9.5 percent of the time. No amount of improving on the high fastball is going to help him sustain a .372 BABIP, so even then, there’s BOUND to be some decline.
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by Michael Jong on Feb 14, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
This is fair enough.
Nobody can sustain a .372. But his career BABIP is .340, even factoring in all the other seasons, and I think .350 is not out of the question for a more disciplined Boni. He’s one of the fastest guys in the league, after all.
A .350 BABIP would put his OBP around .350, which is on the high side of the projections but not out of the range. Not sure that would make him the best no. 2 hitter candidate, but with his speed, it’s not absurd.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
I can't shake the feeling...
the Boni’s going to regress big time. We’re not that far from Boni being “the worst leadoff hitter in the past 30 years.”
I'd much rather
have Morrison at 2.
power and OBP.
Or maybe even Hanley.
Boni wouldn’t be that bad….he’d be my 3rd pick at 2
but I believe 9th is by far the best spot for him, b/c he could get in position for reyes to take advantage of his abilities.
Infante would be a horrible idea at 2, unless we wanted to bunt (which is good in situations but building a lineup around a bunt is silly).
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
Infante is a horrible idea in general.
What is it with second basemen and not being able to take a walk to save their lives? With the horrible year Uggla had last season, he still got on base just about as much as Omar. And Omar was playing up to his career averages.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
And he's also playing top notch defense
The Marlins got a steal with him last season, and he should regress up a tad based on his work from the last three seasons.
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by Michael Jong on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
This makes
me sad :(
Tired of the Braves and Phillies dominating the NL East.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 PM EST reply actions
The one thing that bothers me is...
…if you’re going to lowball Cespedes with a $6 million a year offer, that’s fine. Maybe you don’t want him, maybe you want to say you gae it a shot and someone outpaid you.
But if you do that, don’t turn around and give $9 million a year to a relief pitcher.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
Braves fan here, and they haven't been doing much 'dominating' lately
Barely avoided collapsing in 2010 and we all know what happened last September. The Marlins have a nice, well-rounded club. Missing out on Cespedes isn’t a big deal at all….
by Undocorkscrew on Feb 15, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Lowball = Don't overpay
I’m fine with not paying $9/year on an unproven asset like Cespedes. I would be more concerned with the apparant lack of a backup plan though. I don’t think Boni and Petersen will make a worthwhile CF.
Eh...
…I feel like a median projection for Cespedes is .280/20 HR or so with an .800 OPS. Which is around a $9 million player. You can make any kind of wildly optimistic projection you like, and of course the worst-case scenario is that he doesn’t contribute on a major league level.
The best-case scenario for Bell is, he’s an elite pitcher for 60-70 innings a season. One-third of an elite pitcher. You might charitably say that a guy like that is worth $9 million (one-third of $27 mil?), but there’s no way he ever becomes a bargain. And given the general unreliability of relievers’ health and basic competence, which tends to exceed that for starters, I think the odds that Bell doesn’t contribute appreciably are just about as great as the odds that Cespedes doesn’t contribute appreciably.
Granted, “he’d be a better signing than this terrible signing” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. But there it is.
It's on like Gregg Zaun!
I don't think anyone...
…believes that the Heath Bell signing was “worth it.” OK, Loria probably thinks it is, since he scratched the check, but among the fan base I doubt there are many thinking that was money well spent.
Fukudome is better than Bonifacio, hits from the left side, is a plus defender and is cheaper than Boni… of course that ship has sailed.
by Jigokusabre on Feb 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions























