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Marlins Interested in Matt Garza

SAN DIEGO, CA - SEPTEMBER 27:  Matt Garza #17 of the Chicago Cubs pitches during the first inning of a baseball game against the San Diego Padres at Petco Park on September 27, 2011 in San Diego, California.  (Photo by Denis Poroy/Getty Images)

Over the weekend, we heard news that the Miami Marlins were in the race for yet another starting pitcher after they failed to acquire Gio Gonzalez (unsurprisingly). Now that that chase is over, the Marlins are serious about acquiring Matt Garza from the Chicago Cubs (h/t MLB Daily Dish). This comes as no surprise, as Garza was among the players likely being considered as a trade option for the Fish recently. The Marlins' desire to add another solid starter to their rotation would naturally bring them to Garza, as he is not all that different in terms of quality from the other starters the team has shown interest in acquiring.

The difference is going to be in asking price. The Cubs are supposedly looking for a high price for Garza, and one has to wonder a few things when it comes to the Marlins trading for him:

1) Do the Marlins have the pieces to acquire Garza for around the Cubs' price?

2) Should the Marlins even bother paying that price?

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The Pieces

The names on the Marlins that were listed in this piece are as follows:

Rival clubs say Matt Dominguez, Gaby Sanchez, Chris Coghlan, and Jose Ceda are among the other players Miami is willing to part with.

Those names should not surprise anyone as guys on the proverbial "trade block." We have discussed the possibility of trading Gaby Sanchez before on this site, and it seems that if the Marlins do trade one of their first basemen, it will be the Miami-born Sanchez rather than the more talented Logan Morrison. Given that he may be the team's best trade chip, it would not surprise if he left in a deal for Garza. Here's what I determined was his trade value from this past Thursday's piece:

Sanchez, Year WAR $ Value ($Mil) $ Salary ($Mil)
2012 2.0 9.0 0.4
2013 2.0 9.4 3.5
2014 2.5 12.5 6
2015 2.5 13.3 9.5
Total 9.0 44.2 19.4

This sort of setup yields a surplus value of $24.8 million over the next four seasons. With some guesswork involved, I would say the range in value is between $20 to 25 million for Sanchez's trade value.

That would be significant trade value to be added to a deal. But as mentioned on Twitter yesterday, Sanchez by himself won't be enough to make a deal happen. The Marlins will almost undoubtedly have to add some young talent. Among the possible "young talent" guys the Marlins could throw the Cubs' way are Christian Yelich and Matt Dominguez. Despite the perceived difference between those two names, John Sickels of SB Nation's Minor League Ball rated Yelich as a B+ and Dominguez as a B- in his Marlins top 20 prospects grades, so their differences are not as drastic as they may be in most people's minds. Dominguez is the preferred trade bait since he is not only the lesser prospect at this point but also is blocked at third base (ideally) by Hanley Ramirez for the next three seasons.

The other names the Marlins could consider are toss-ins at this point. Jose Ceda is a reliever and a former Cubs prospect, but as well as he pitched last season, there are plenty of relievers who can likely produce similar results. As for Coghlan, he has a long road back to recovery, not only from injury but from ineffectiveness. His value is at its lowest and he does not have a guaranteed roster spot or even a real position based on how he played in center field last season. He and Chris Volstad are in similar situations in terms of their status with the team.

Is He Worth It?

So we discussed the pieces, and it is likely the Marlins would have to surrender at least Sanchez, Dominguez, and someone else among the guys mentioned. There's even a chance Sanchez, Dominguez, and Yelich may have to be involved, which would be an very high cost. This is especially concerning given the likely surplus value Garza would bring during his final two arbitration seasons.

, Year WAR $ Value ($Mil) $ Salary ($Mil)
2012 3.5 15.8 8.7
2013 3.5 16.5 11.3
Total 7.0 32.3 20

Based on these numbers, it looks like Garza only has surplus or trade value of about $12 million. Compare that to the price would be paying, which is closer to $30 million in surplus value. The Marlins would be paying a premium of around $18 million in trade value to gain the immediate rotation improvement that Garza would provide. Remember that this is a pitcher who has averaged around three wins per season in the last three years; only recently have his numbers spiked upwards in such a severe fashion.

Again, this situation is compounded by the fact that there are still available starters in the free agent market that would not require the Marlins to give up talent. A team lacking depth in their minor league system like the Marlins should not consider trading what little depth they do have for a pitcher of similar caliber to players available in the free agent market. We've already discussed the possibility of Edwin Jackson, and Roy Oswalt was just voted as a pitcher the Marlins should acquire. Neither pitcher is likely more than a half a win worse than Garza next season, and both would require only monetary commitment rather than the additional need for prospects.

What do you Fish Stripers think? Is Garza worth the prospects, or should the Marlins look to free agency to fill their needs?

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Well, if there is still pretty of talent, we sure are not doing much to get it

I would happily give Gaby Sanchez and any of the others mentioned for Garza.

by Miami Marlins 2012 on Jan 2, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Go get him please! Then one more move (sign Cespedes) and we are a serious contender, in the NL East and Mlb. I believe we are that close.

by Marcus J on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Rather spend those prospects else where,

say Konerko if the CWS fire sale continues.

Go Nevada Wolf Pack!

by BacksThePack on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Where we should trade....

I think that an OF would be a better investment. Dominguez, Sanchez, et. al. could be put towards a trade for Marlon Byrd. If we get Cepedes, excellent, Byrd can move to LF. If not, then we have an excellent CF and LF has an excellent defender named “not LoMo.”

Not LoMo could be Boni, it could be Rick Ankiel, Coco Crisp or Juan Pierre.

by Jigokusabre on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Byrd is a decent player

but is on a one-year deal and is at best a 2-win player. You don’t give up much for that kind of guy, especially not the guys you listed.

by Michael Jong on Jan 2, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Not all of them, no...

but between the defensive upgrade in the OF and the offensive upgrade of Byrd over Boni (and his likely regression), he merits something, and is worth getting.

Endy Chavez and Coco Crisp have signed elsewhere, and the best outfielders on the FA market at Pierre and Ankiel. While I think either of them is an upgrade over Bonifacio or Morrison in LF, Byrd is the better option.

by Jigokusabre on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't want Juan Pierre nor Ankiel... to me they are of the 4th outfielders type.

Coco Crisp and Byrd are much better player than those two. I like Byrd better. However, trading pieces like Sanchez or LoMo, in my opinion, for a player like Byrd does not make any marginal impact here. A good starter would put the Marlins in serious contention mode.

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Jan 2, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Trading for Garza has its advantages

The Marlins will likely lose some good players and prospects, but getting Oswalt “sorta” means losing a “potential” prospect as the Marlins will lose their 9th pick in the draft as Oswalt is a Type A free agent.

Oswalt comes with a health risk. Garza does not. I believe the Marlins has its share of health risk completed with Josh Johnson to go ahead an pick another one. Garza is their best option. I don’t think picking up a 2 year pitcher at a 10 million dollars average is a bad investment considering a pitcher of the quality of Garza. Cubs need to fill a void on first base. Sanchez makes a lot of sense to them. That can give the Marlins some leverage.

I hope the Marlins get another good starter. That can really put them in a good position to compete against the Phillies and the Braves before the Nationals become relevant with Bryce calling, Strassburg health and the myriad of prospects they already have. 2012 is a good year to go full gears.

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, the draft pick thing is not true

Not only is the Marlins’ first-round pick protected, but Oswalt was not one of the players who would have merited first-round compensation under the 2012-only compensation rules of the new CBA. Furthermore, I think the Phillies passed on offering him arbitration, though I’m not certain about that.

by Michael Jong on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats true, the Phillies didn't offer him arbitration.

Or, imagine, being able to be magically whisked away to... Delaware. Hi. I'm in Delaware.

by Eric Ely on Jan 2, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If the cost for Garza is as high as reported I'd say pass.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/26066/dont-put-out-the-welcome-matt-for-garza-just-yet

Any one of those guys would be at the top of the Marlins minor league system. The Cubs asking for two or all three is crazy.

I agree with Michael, the cost, especially for the Marlins thin farm system, would be way too high.

Or, imagine, being able to be magically whisked away to... Delaware. Hi. I'm in Delaware.

by Eric Ely on Jan 2, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Garza

There are three ways of approaching this acquisition in my opinion:
1) Is he the pitcher we want? He must have some value for several teams are inquiring after him. I must take that secondary evidence, for I refuse to disabuse my Direct TV contract by watching Cub games. There are other ways to do penaance for the suffering souls in Purgatory. The question does remain though. Why do the Cubs want to move him if he is so desirable and after only so short a time?
2) Would the Marlins be giving up too much? Both Gabby and Dominguez are now either replaceable or expendable. Ceda appears to find his best comfort at the dinner table. So those three would seem to equal a logical offering. I would take exception to trading Coghlan. His current value is at an all time low, but there is still a productive player hiding behind all of his current problems. I would place his ceiling at somewhere between that of Gabby and LoMo, should he recover as we all hope. He should stay in my opinion. Trading Yelich for a pitcher of Garza’s talent should be out of the question.
3) Is there comparable or superior talent available at a lesser price? As the blogger so ably stated above, E Jackson or Oswalt would only cost money and the former is probably a superior talent and the latter an excellent gamble. The elephant who should be in the room but isn’t, is Vazquez. Resign him and let’s play ball!

by Stanley Dancer on Jan 3, 2012 5:01 AM EST reply actions  

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