Rampant Pujols Speculation Thread
by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST
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PrintWith all the potential news of a Marlins signing of Albert Pujols, the biggest name on the free agent market, I figured that Marlins fans may need somewhere to vent their possible frustrations and excitement. Yes, of course there is Twitter, and you should be following @MRJManiac and @fishstripes for more details and coverage, but for now it may be best to have one place on Fish Stripes where we as fans can go nuts with our speculation.
There will be no analysis written in this post on my part (maybe in the comments, depending on what happens). There is nothing but crazy fan thoughts amid even crazier contract rumors. Feel free to say whatever crazy, Pujols-related speculation comes to your mind. This area is for getting excited. This area is for your imagination to come to life. This area is for you to post batting lineups with Pujols in them without feeling trepidation. Speculate to your heart's content. I'm listening.
Updates throughout the day on news after the jump.
- Various sources (here is Juan C. Rodriguez via Twitter) saying the Marlins are meeting with Dan Lozano, Pujol's agent later today. The Pujols situation could resolve one way or another by the end of the day.
- Marlins finished meeting with Pujols in one hour and 15 minutes and had nothing to say about it afterwards (Juan C. Rodriguez).
2:49 EST: Apparently the Marlins may be willing to give Albert Pujols the no-trade clause he is looking for (Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald)
2:51 EST: The Marlins may be out of the C.J. Wilson race, since they're in head-first into the Albert Pujols race. (Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports)
3:20 EST: Turns out David Samson the Marlins will not sign a free agent with a no-trade clause. (Clark Spencer)
11:05 EST: It looks like the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are in on Albert Pujols as well. (Ken Rosenthal)
11:49 EST: If the Marlins cannot secure Pujols, they may finally look to Prince Fielder. (Joe Frisaro of MLB.com)
9:10 AM EST: So it turns out that instead of the Marlins offering a no-trade clause, they have added various post-retirement
11:42 AM EST: The Marlins scheduled a 12:15 EST press conference. It likely has to do with Jose Reyes's signing and subsequent introduction. The intriguing part is that they previously set up a presser for 2:45 EST. Why move it up (Pujols?????)? (Dave Cameron of FanGraphs)
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So many contradicting feelings
Love Pujols… Hate 10 years.
Although
1. Reyes
2. Hanley
3. Stanton
4. Pujols
5. LoMo
6. Buck
7. Boni
8. Infante
or something along those lines looks KILLER
hoenstly
this front office isn’t rational. they’ve never been rational. even if they don’t sign pujols, they aren’t going to spend their money or construct a team rationally. if they do sign pujols, i’m just going to enjoy the ride, there’s nothing else you can do. the team may be a disaster in 2015, but at this point there’s no point in hoping against that. it’s gonna happen one way or another. loria is an animal.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions
Enjoy the ride! Well put
"Dolphins Fan....waiting for a win up here alone....and I think it's gonna be a long, long time." - Elton John
I think
that Marlins ownership really only cares about the next 2-3 years. When you think about it, they’re like most of America- willing to spend now for instant gain, no matter what the pain in the future.
I also have been wondering lately, how much is Loria really into owning a team? When you think about it, the franchise value is probably going to be at it’s peak for the next few years. Is he building something up to sell it at maximum profit, making him more willing to commit to these long term deals thinking he won’t be the one paying them at the end? Is he more interested in making money off the team, or is he really a baseball guy who wants to own a team no matter what?
I admit that’s kind of an “out there” kind of thought.
I agree with u totally, but I'm a "live in the moment" kind of guy and say go for it, we have this moment right now, and ahold strike while it's hot, but you make all valid points.
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I would rather have 2-3 really awesome seasons with a potential championship followed by a bunch more years of mediocrity than 5-6 years of slightly above average.
Me too
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
if that's true hopefully he sells to a richer guy willing to spend more
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Spend more than what he's spending now
Really? Loria’s spending A LOT now.
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well i'm talking historically
we all know this is way out of character for him
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well yeah
But if he’s spending now, he’s spending. Can’t complain about that in terms of pure money total
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this is mine
SS Jose Reyes
3B Hanley Ramirez
RF Mike Stanton
1B Albert Pujols
CF Yoenis Cespedes
C John Buck
LF Logan Morrison
2B Omar Infante
P Josh Johnson
Cespedes is well out of the picture at this point
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with the new CBA
we can match the maximum amount allowed to a foreign player.. it’ll be up to yoenis where to go with everyone offering the same amount
..unless I’m mistaken on the new CBA
I actually don't think this is true
He’s not being counted as an “amateur” for international purposes (like how we acquired Cabrera), he’ll actually apply for free agency. There should be no limit in that regard
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Mixed Feelings.
Pujols is Pujols. Signing him is never a negative.
Nonetheless, I’m wondering if we could do more, and be more effective without signing him.
Suppose instead of spending ~250M on Pujols, we save half of that and give out these contracts instead:
Cespedes, 7 Years $60M.
Buerhle, 3 Years $40M.
E. Jackson 3 Years $25M.
I think this makes us much better, and we save 125M to improve our team further next offseason.
Lineup:
SS Reyes
1B Sanchez
3B Hanley
LF Morrison
RF Stanton
CF Cespedes
C Buck
2B Infante
P
Rotation:
1. Josh Johnson
2. Mark Buerhle
3. Anibal Sanchez
4. Edwin Jackson
5. Ricky Nolasco
What do you guys think? Possible? Better than signing Pujols?
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Good, But you have to take in to account the merchandise sales and revenue from bringing in a blue chipper like Albert pujols.
Pujols creates so much buzz, it would be reticulous.
"Dolphins Fan....waiting for a win up here alone....and I think it's gonna be a long, long time." - Elton John
by sonnycrockett on Dec 6, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
iPad spell check arghhhhhh!
"Dolphins Fan....waiting for a win up here alone....and I think it's gonna be a long, long time." - Elton John
by sonnycrockett on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
i heard that a pujols signing
could raise TV ad revenue by like 20%…pujols, reyes signings along with new ballpark? maybe that much & more………
The team could suck
but people would still come to watch Reyes/Pujols. That’s why they want him. His contract would pay for itself
by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
stanton in the 3rd hole for sure
so pitchers cant pitch around him to get to pujols.. he’ll improve his OBP and hit more HR’s
I would MUCH rather see something along those lines than this monster 10 year pujols contract.
If we could get Cespedes I would like to see Gaby traded and LoMo moved to 1B. I’d like to give Boni a shot again this season.
Lineup (if i was manager):
1. Reyes – SS
2. Infante – 2B
3. Hanley – 3B
4. Stanton – RF
5. LoMo – 1B
6. Cespedes – CF
7. Buck – C
8. JJ – P
9. Boni – LF
Unfortunately, that's not what the Marlins are looking at
They’ve apparently pulled back on Cespedes given concerns about his contract demands (I know, ironic right?). They want Pujols bad.
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Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
yeah
i mean you could concoct any line up you’d want, and it would likely be better than just signing pujols, but clearly the front office’s mission here is to make big, splash signings. thankfully, in one sense, reyes and pujols (potentially) are two of the best hitters in the game, and not, like, jayson werth and carl crawford.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
i'd much rather see
coco crisp, cj wilson and edwin jackson with money deferred to lock up stanton, lomo and anibal, but i don’t think that’s the motive here
also the marlins are meeting w/ cj wilson’s agent right now
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/2011/12/06/ozzie-guillen-talks-about-hanley-ramirez-albert-pujols-and-marlins-batting-order/
looks like it will be:
reyes
boni
ramirez
pujols (if we get him)
stanton
lomo
this gives you a pretty good idea of where loria's head is at
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by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions
well well well
clarkspencerclarkspencer
Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM EST reply actions
Where do you think Sanchez will go if the Marlins sign Pujols? Think the A’s would trade Gio for Sanchez+?
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saw a tweet today saying that the cubs would be on him, which makes sense. they have some mid-level pitching prospects, which would seem to fit.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t think that sanchez + anything would be able to get gio. the a’s have always consistently got very good packages for their deals, and short of the marlins turning around and flipping lomo, i don’t see who else they could include. the minor league system is basically nonexistent.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Not one for one
They’ve already said that.
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so according to Jon Heyman of SI
we have upped our offer to Pujols to 13 yrs and we r still in on CJ Willson
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Link?
That sounds so crazy I might throw up
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Just saw...
I may throw up too..
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by Zag on Dec 6, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
re wilson
Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal
Source: #Marlins fading on CJ Wilson. Makes sense, given Pujols pursuit. #MLB
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I saw that
Heyman posted after that we still in on Wilson
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK
SI_JonHeyman:
hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years…. they are obvs pushing hard… long and hard… [via Twitter]
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Come on guys, links!
LINKS!!!!
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Speaking of which
That guy is a fake account. Heyman works for CBS now.
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lol why would heyman not just change his name? is SI making him regain all of his followers.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
lol yea just saw that
forget all that Heyman stuff
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yahoo! has a tracker for the Winter Meetings
updating twitters of key baseball figures
i don’t have Heyman’s twitter link
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Another thing you gotta consider when signing pujols
is the HR record.
He very likely could break it within the next 10 years assuming all goes well.
That would do amazing things for cementing the Miami Marlins into the SoFl sports world.
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
Maybe, but...
How would our new park dimensions affect his HR’s?
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
no doubt.
But would that matter a huge amount.
he needs 317.
31.7 AVG per year. (assuming 10 year contract)
He’s never hit less than 32 in a season before.
he hit 37 last year in a “down year”
I’m not saying it is a guarantee as I expect the HR numbers to slow down due to age, but he has a great chance
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
u gotta expect his numbers to go down as he ages
…but then again we r talking bout Albert Pujols, so u never know
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
OK guys, super important read
Craig Calcaterra with some definite rules to follow.
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who is this guy?
http://insidesportswithdavidv.blogspot.com/2011/12/albert-pujols-to-join-miami-marlins.html
Albert Pujols to join Miami Marlins
BY David Villavicencio
The Miami Marlins may have snagged the biggest fish in this year’s free agent class.
According to multiple sources, Albert Pujols will sign with the Marlins. The terms of the deal have not been confirmed but one source believes the deal is for 10 years.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Im happy that we are actually spending money and getting players
Pujols will be huge for south fla. No luxury tax and a hispanic community is a big sell. And a brand new stadium. I think that is too much to turn down.
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As Heyman (the REAL Heyman) brings up...
Jon_Heyman: Pujols has home, restaurants, charity in st. louis. Hard to see him leaving for extra $20M. 1 agent guesses $250M gives miami hope. [via Twitter]
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
honestly
i think pujols has made it clear from the jump that he was gonna take the most money offered. that may end up being an extra $20m.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, i meant as a reply to nuckingfuts
and yea i agree with you ray^28
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
so maybe this will hold it all up
arkspencerclarkspencer
#Marlins pres David Samson says: “There will NOT be a free agent signed that includes a no-trade clause.” So team sticking with policy.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
Keep refreshing for more Twitter info
I’m on top of this, despite the need for study
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lol same here
fuck school, Pujols is more impt
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I made a twitter last night
just to follow the various reporters…and LoMo
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
LoMo is the best.
i’m just on the yahoo tracker, it’s pretty good
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I've been looking at the tracker too...
Lots of Marlins bashing there.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Mainly it's jokes about our attendance levels
You can’t get it through their thick skulls as to WHY they were low.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOO!
The Marlins may be out of the C.J. Wilson race, since they’re in head-first into the Albert Pujols race.
This is the wrong way to go…
at least we r still on Buerhle
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I like
being out on Wilson in favor of Pujols.
maybe Buerhle will take a discount to try for a ring?
we do need SP, I think we add 2 this offseason FA and a Trade
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
I know all this focus is on pujols, but if we land him then where will Sanchez go?
Catcher again?
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He's a great player in his own right and i dont want to see him go
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by GoNuckingFuts on Dec 6, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Traded
No room left in the lineup. Sorry to see him go, but he has no upside remaining.
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psshhh he is my favorite. That will suck. He is going to good for a long time.
I dont see why the wouldnt move him back to catcher. He is a great bat.
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by GoNuckingFuts on Dec 6, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
He can't play catcher, that's why
There’s a reason why he was moved off in the first place.
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i'm so confused about Willson
Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Loria pushing #Marlins’ interest in Wilson, not ruling out signing Wilson AND Pujols. #MLB [via Twitter]
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions
I know, I have no idea what's happening either
I just want to go home now. i don’t know who i am anymore
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if pujols falls through
who’s number 1 priority?
buerhle
wilson
fielder
Wilson, I would think...
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't need Fielder
Pujols is a once-in-a-lifetime player. Fielder isn’t. Gabby would do just fine.
I’d go after Wilson as well.
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i want pujols, AND to trade Hanley
so we snag pujols, forcing us to trade gaby and in my world hanley.
insert your unrealistic trade possibility followed by unrealistic lineup
1.
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here is mine:
cubs trade starlin castro, matt garza, jeff baker to marlins for gaby sanchez, omar infante and ramirez.
marlins use extra relieved cap space to sign pujols, cespedes, buehrle
1. SS Reyes
2. 3B Castro (moves to 3B due to Reyes
3. 1B Pujols
4. RF Stanton
5. LF Morrison
6. CF Cespedes
7. C Buck
8. 2B Bonifacio
9. SP- Johnson, Sanchez, Buehrle, Nolasco, Garza
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Come on man
Castro? Really? That’s not going to happen. Why would the Cubs make that trade? He’s already a 4-win player AND cheap and team controlled.
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Maybe if they want Gaby bad enough, they might...
They’ve made dumber decisions in the past, I’m told.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
They don't want him that badly
Castro is our Stanton to them, think of it that way.
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Point taken...
Just kept hearing on the rumor mill that the Cubs would be interested in Gaby and I just thought “Maybe…”
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
well hanley is a similar, yet older, version of castro.
wouldnt getting a 1B coming off a all-star year and a perenial MVP candiadate SS off a bad year is enough? its like saying: stanton for bautista and another all-star caliber guy at a position of need. lets say that all-star caliber guy is BJ upton (im pretending the jays have upton at CF). so were sending our current & future star RF for a current star whose older and a CF whose got all-star potential to fill our positional need. its not a perfect example, but i think that stanton for bautista and upton hypothetical offer is very interesting..
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But it isn't the same
Ramirez has some question marks around him. I’ve got him at 4.5 wins next year. Castro may be a 3.5 win player and is under control for more years at a lower price. Sanchez is fine (average-ish ballplayer, maybe a bit more), and Garza is not as good, so there’s more to it there.
Let’s say this: I ask the Cubs Ramirez at $46.5M for 3 years for Castro at what is likely $25M for 4 years. How much more value would you have to add to the Marlins’ side to make that fair for the Cubs, because it’s a clear loss for the Cubs as it’s listed here. Back of the envelope, but I’d venture to say it’s more than Sanchez and Infante.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Crazy pills time. Assuming we land Pujols
I want to keep Hanley but if he refuses to play 3B. The Giants need a bat and we need some pitching any chance of a Hanley and Gaby for Lincecum and Cody trade? Then we move Boni to 3B and stick Cody back in CF.
1. SS Reyes
2. 3B Boni
3. 1B Pujols
4. RF Stanton
5. LF LoMo
6. CF Cody
7. C Buck
8. 2B Infante
9. Lincecum, JJ, Sanchez, Nolasco, (Buehrle/Wilson)
Lincecum will not be traded
Giants are adamant in their refusal.
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I'm new to the Marlins
but if Marlins get Pujols and Hanley wants out…can Gabby play third?
In a purely speculative and unrealistic answer though…How about Hanley for David Wright and Angel Pagan! haha
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One Met is enough
The more we grab, the more we become the Mets. Not to throw a stone in a glass house, but we’re shooting for a little higher than how they finished.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I am a converted Mets fan
and it was more about those surrounding Reyes and Wright than the other way around. Not to mention crappy starting pitching.
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gaby has played 3B
But apparently he’s terrible. Is he Greg Dobbs / Jorge Cantu terrible? I am not sure. I would rather see Hanley move to 3B and have the kind of success Gary Sheffield had.
Maybe, but...
I’d rather not be known as the Miami Mets. Grabbing too many players from the same team feels like an identity change to me.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
ummmmm
about this….
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions
Damn
You beat me to it. Are you watching the Yahoo feed too? Lol
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am indeed god sire
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Dec 6, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna stop for now and check back later...
Mainly sick of the Marlin hating trolls whose clever comments about us always include attendance levels.I wish they could at least be original.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
well........ see ya later, big fella
hope we can get some good SP for ya
You wait it out, and see how he feels
Many position players have made trade demands because of position changes, and many position players have subsequently moved positions. Happens all the time.
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yeah
hopefully it can be smoothed over. emotions are very raw right now, but hopefully he’ll get over it. i think a possible pujols signing would help. i think ozzie, too, will probably be good for the situation. they aren’t going to trade him, and he’s not not going to show up. so we’ll see what happens, but if hanley sulks his way off the team, it will reflect very poorly on him going forward and it may cost him a lot of money when his contract is up, regardless of what team he is on.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
michael young had been with the team what? 10 years & had already switched positions i think
hanley has complained year after year. his & young are not the same situations IMO
The first time Young switched from SS to 3B, he demanded a trade
Last season, when he was relegated to DH and 1B/3B rotation, he demanded a trade. Look how that worked out. Hanley’s just going to have to get over himself, or find himself as a very expensive bench ornament.
Gary Sheffield
Demanded a trade when Milwaukee wanted to take him off of SS. He got his wish, and was planted at 3B anyway.
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by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 6:10 PM EST reply actions
I got out of my Evidence exam and come here to find all hell breaking loose
After 15 years as a Marlins fan, it just got so much better.
To all the fair-weather bandwagon fans, you don’t know what you’ve been missing. Shame on you for not supporting your hometown team before this news.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Gaby to the Cubs?
If we do end up with Pujols, the Cubs are looking to acquire Gaby. What do you think we’ll get for him?
somebody somewhere should need a 1B/DH
i can only dream the mariners wanted hanley and gaby soo bad they would send king felix and dustin ackley.. lol dreams
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I wouldn’t be opposed to gambling on Zambrano. Maybe Ozzie can get Zambrano’s head out of his ass.
Not that I would want to trade GABY for him, maybe Cogz.
around average
huh didn’t know Cogz got a 10th place MVP vote in 2009
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he can’t play center for a full season. not sure he’s good enough, and i definitely don’t think he’d stay healthy.
CF will be the least of the marlins issues if they ink pujols
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Fielding percentage may have been perfect
but his UZR was -5.1 and his range was -5.0.
And that was only in 65 games.
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hate gold gloves
Name me a gold glove winner that didn’t hit over .280? It’s about the bat with a little bit of fielding…not the other way around.
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
touche'
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Terrence has a point
Gold Gloves are voted in such a ridiculous fashion that they are rendered meaningless most of the time. So many go to players who have earned a reputation, whether on defense (see Wieters, who was a legitimate winner) or offense (see Jeter). Managers vote, but they’ve not watched the players they vote for often enough to truly judge.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you go beyond UZR and other things
He’s coming off a knee injury, he is relatively new to the position, he was terrible at the plate last year, and the team has at least one better defensive option. Coghlan will open this year in Triple-A. I watched a good deal of games and he looked like he wasn’t good enough to play CF.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
if the marlins get him for 10/220
you’d almost have to call it a steal right?
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think you can ever categorize a 10 year deal as a “steal.” There is a huge risk involved in a contract like that.
“almost” — i think it would be a very fair deal. pujols isn’t falling off in 3 or 4 years.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
i’m not saying necessarily that the marlins should do it, but 10/220 sounds reasonable for pujols
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a steal
It’s probably fair, if anything. With the assumptions Tom Tango often uses (0.5 WAR per year decline, 5% inflation on $/WAR, start this year at $5M / WAR), he says Pujols earns 10/$220M if the Marlins think he’s a 6-win player. That sounds close to right, probably a bit of a steal.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Marlins have lost their heads
Hopefully Albert Pujols is just playing with us to get the Cardinals to pay him a lot more money.
There is no way this deal will end up good for us, when Pujols starts to go downhill in 3-4 years we are going to be the laughing stock of the MLB.
I hope the guy is just playing with us and it’ the Cardinals getting stuck with a 10 year/220 million deal
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 PM EST reply actions
they are going after this deal for a marketing standpoint
it would be huge for the team to get this guy
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by GoNuckingFuts on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols in a Marlins uniform
means butts in seats for the next 10 years
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
10 years is a lot, but...
You have to consider all of the revenue that Pujols alone will bring to the team. People will jump on the bandwagon and the team will matter, get more ESPN coverage, etc. I think they know what they are doing.
yes
it will be a bad baseball deal on the back-half of the contract (probably, but he is inhuman so its anyone’s guess).
But with players like Pujols you get arguably the best hitter in the game (currently) who will give you tons of production, and you get potential for Records being broken under the Miami Marlins name (how great would it be if he goes into the HOF as a Miami Marlin? one of the greatest players ever) and you get a chance to establish a true fanbase for a new brand in which the name Albert Pujols could become synonymous with Miami Marlins
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But when is a contract ever "good" at the back end of the deal
Think about it. What long term free agent deals ever look good at the end, especially to guys who get them at age 28, let’s say. No, the Marlins are paying less for more production now, and later on they’ll be paying more for less.
Consider this: in his worst professional season, Pujols was worth about 5 Wins Above Replacement. FanGraphs has that valued as worth $22M in the open market. Prior to that, he was worth $30M in 2010 (7.5 WAR) and $40.4M in 2009 (9.0 WAR). If you think he’ll go back up to maybe six wins next year, that may be worth something between $27M and $30M, and you’re paying $22M next year.
Following year he goes down a bit, the price for wins goes up a bit, and maybe you’re getting $26-29M in value. The next year he goes down a bit more, the price goes up a bit more, etc etc. The point is there is a spectrum where, at the beginning of the deal, you’re probably underpaying for his services. As a result, at the end, you have to overpay for him.
The risk is whether he hits your projection or not in total. If he doesn’t over the life of the deal, you lost out. But just because a guy’s deal is going to look bad at the end, it doesn’t mean the deal itself was bad, because usually these contracts are built to underpay guys at the beginning.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
i think what ppl are worried the most is
if he gets a) multiple injuries on top of his normal regression
or b) a serious, lingering injury where the marlins are out over a season’s worth of games regardless of regression
and isn’t there a law of diminishing returns re: WAR?
Not sure what you mean re: diminshing returns
Wins are wins, the more you get the better. And it’s always better to pile wins onto one guy rather than multiple guys if you have that option, as it allows you to upgrade at more positions.
On your other notes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about, and that’s where the concern is. If he ages worse due to injury or whatever, then you have to be concerned, and at a 10-year deal, you have no leeway; you have to get his best seasons from him or you really lose out. It’s all in how the team projects him, including injury risk.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
at some point a player's WAR/$ may decrease relative to his team's payroll, or beyond some specific salary
not strict, textbook definition of “diminishing returns” but same-ish ballpark.
EXAMPLE: barry bonds—assuming his numbers aren’t juiced (haha, i know)—in ‘01 his WAR was 12.5. so his “worth” would be about 56 mill today-if you believe 9.0 WAR = 40.4mill.
considering ’11 salaries, bonds would be 28% of yanks (top payroll) and 20mill more than royals’ (lowest) team payroll.
this relates to juan c.‘s article how teams don’t make playoffs with players paid more than 20% of team’s payroll.
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“Pujols now has 3 teams offering 10 years and at least $200 milion ”http://usat.ly/sgijT1" target="_blank">http://usat.ly/sgijT1"
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Then what was the Reyes deal all about? If that can't get people pumped up enough, what will?
What a crazy night. there are so many rumors.
Apparently the Cardinals upped the offer. The Marlins put a deadline on making the deal happen. And a 3rd mystery team?
Me thinks Albert is toying with the Cardinals. What 3rd team? Where did they come from?
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 8:59 PM EST reply actions
I think it's just a late leverage play to get more money
from the Marlins or a no-trade clause
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
everything in baseball is about
getting people pumped, either getting them pumped now, or pumped later.
the marlins are in a unique situation where they need to get people very very pumped right now, in order to maximize the attention they will be getting with the new stadium.
You gotta first win the fans before you even have the opportunity to alienate them, or the opportunity to not alienate them. I am of the belief that the marlins can strategically and gradually lower their payroll into more of the Brewers type payroll, while still having 90 win team and some popular fan favorites.
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Enough, if we offer any more money to Pujols....
We will have to get rid of Stanton, Morrison, Hanley, and God knows who else in 2013 or 2014?
Another fire sale and Pujols or no Pujols won’t make a difference as far as the fans are concerned. The Marlins would never half fill the new stadium after that.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 9:03 PM EST reply actions
Now the Cubs are on the Pujols bandwagon
Time to bail on Pujols and focus on pitchers.
No way this guy is worth the $250 million/10 years that he will end up getting eventually now that the Cubs are in the game.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions
I'll say it, I want Pujols at this point
If we can get him in the door without the no-trade clause, I’d be really happy. With Reyes, Hanley, Mikey, LoMo, Infante, Buck, and Boni on lock for the next two years minimum, I’d love to see what that offense is capable of. Plus, so long as we non-tender Oviedo like any reasonable team would, we’ll have enough left over to make a serious push for Buerhle, E-Jax, or another mid-range innings eater.
Cardinals matched 10/220 million Marlins offer
Unless Loria throws 10/240, good luck
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions
Marlins just emerged from meeting with
“nothing to report”
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either
we’re out of the running
or
we upped our offer
or
theres actually nothing to report, which I hope is not the case because this is boring
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Yep...nothing to report. There is a gloat fest at the Cardinals page
monitoring the shatter over there
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions
Really, they lose either way
Either he leaves them and gives us a colossal marketing boost and an upgrade at first, or they pay him a premium to gain no production or additional revenue.
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Reply fail
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 6, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Marlins want Pujols to sign tonight or early tomorrow
They think he is wasting their time, and is just trying to get the Cardinals to pay more
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Let me get this straight,
Marlins meet with agent several times, then meet with MLB, then meet again with agent, then meet with MLB again with agent…., id be shocked if he’s not a marlin by midnight.
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at the very least
the Marathoners that make up our FO will have gotten in a pretty good workout
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get it ken
‘Duk:
Rosenthal on MLB Network: "Four Marlins executives meeting with the league about Albert’s contract can mean only one thing. We’re in the final stages."
God, this is worse than my Evidence final this afternoon
I’d rather be doing analysis of hearsay evidence than waiting on Pujols to sign
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions
PS: Any lawyers or law students here? I'm a 3L
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
1L in Birmingham here
Just had my first final today. The longer this continues the worse I’m going to do.
by PerReyMysterio on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I know, it's been so difficult to study for Criminal Procedure and Evidence with Reyes and now Pujols
But hey, I’m done with finals, so it’s all about the Marlins tonight….that and the bottle of rum next to me to celebrate finishing another semester.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
2L at Nova...
Had my hardest exam yesterday —> Business Entties…
Have Con Law II tomorrow… and it seems like I pay more attention to this than my books…
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by Zag on Dec 7, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
wow.. business was probably my easiest of all i think
if you consider ANYTHING in law school being easy that is
I think it was more a result of the professor
going off on tangents and me being unable to follow than the substance.
Nonetheless, I think I did fairly well…
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by Zag on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
My sources (The Cardinals site) is reporting that Marlins executives were seen heading to their suits with a boxes of pizza.
It is going to be a long night!!!
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions
That's precisely what I was thinking
Apparently my party food is their deliberating food. I guess execs party with more upscale stuff.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe they cant afford the sushi and caviar now because they spent it on pujols
by FishNFinz on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Surprised they aren't eating ramen noodles in that case. Lol
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nah
They had a no-delivery clause.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Joe Frisaro
“#Marlins four boxes of pizza and some wings are headed to Marlins suite. Will be a long night”
you think if I flew out to dallas with fifty bucks to pay for the food they’d let me sit in?
some kind of extreme networking
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Go for it
If you want it, go get it man! Tell us how it is. “Bronzeagle on site at outside the Marlins’ suite. I hear throwing up, possibly from the copious amount of pizza these guys just brought in.”
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
it would so be worth a shot.
i mean, could they really reject me if I told them my story? about buying a plane ticket spur of the moment just for this.
…i need to change my username…just sounds silly….yay old accounts
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I hear ya
Mine was my email, but since I started working on the blog, I figured my real name would be better
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
If you do it
I’ll hire you to be the Fish Stripes beat writer! But you gotta do a damn good job!
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
You can't change names
But you can start a new account? I’m not exactly sure honestly.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've been wondering how to do that too...
For a while, I’ve felt my username here is too generic…
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 7, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of good information coming on the Cardinals page
People are posting tweets from sources & sports writers, besides the usual banter
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/12/6/2616397/pujols-talks-heat-up-the-stove
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions
Viva El Birdos is yet another top notch SB Nation blog
So if you guys are interested, check them out, as Miami Marlins 2012 says.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
They seem pretty level headed over there.
Far fewer comments insulting the Marlins, the fans, the city of Miami, etc. than on MLBTR.
MLBTR is basically mainstream
Some smart people (and all smart writers) amid the usual Yahoo!-type fare. Almost all SB Nation blogs have some representation in advanced stats, and they’re all pretty level-headed people. I’d say only the larger markets get worse fans (witness SOME of the Mets fans from two nights back, despite Amazin’ Avenue probably being one of the best SB Nation blogs).
No, I’m not shilling for SB Nation because I work for them, why do you ask????
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal:
Sources: #Angels pursuing Pujols. Ongoing conversations. #MLB
JoeFrisaro:
#Marlins would like resolution on Pujols, but that is not likely to happen tonight.
So the Angels are the mystery team, huh?
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looks like it
I don’t know if they’d be willing to go 10 years on Pujols though.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
The question is whether we should go 10 years.
I realize it’s partially a business decision, and I hope we “win” this, but if we lose him I think I’ll be kind of relieved.
It's not about what we want. That is what Pujols wants
If we want to sign him up, we have no choice but to go for the long term with him
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I realize that
and the thought of him raking in the middle of our lineup for the next five years or so is exciting. It’s those last five years that make me nervous. Maybe the FO is sure the world is going to end in December 2012.
There may be a way to make this deal "fair"
But hell if I know it. Pujols is already almost incomparable in terms of finding similar past talent. Trying to find how said talent will age into his 40’s? Almost inconceivable.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
We'll be here when you wake up.
Maybe Pujols will serve you breakfast in bed!
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Despite the money...
Signing him would be cool. Definitely brings a “scary” factor to the lineup.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 6, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does Loria intend to build a team
Or are we going to have a fire sale in 2013?
That’s what scares me the most
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 6, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions
You wouldn't do all this with the intent to trade
It’s just not smart baseball. His plan is to drum up excitement and see how fans react and how well the team does. Then we’ll see. The truth is that the Marlins have few commitments heading into 2015, so that would be the year the team would re-evaluate their place in the market, barring Loria and co saying that they’re hemorrhaging money.
The great thing about this is that attendance after two years of initial growth, it tends to taper back down a tad, based on my research. And it also depends on what type of team you build. If the team wins, attendance stays up, interest is high, the Marlins will still pay. If attendance is down, the team will get a chance to clear money off the books just in time to see how a two- or three-year run with this core looks in terms of fan interest. They can re-evaluate as needed.
It’s actually smarter than it looks. They’ve built a lot to lead into 2014.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 6, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Refresh the page and you'll find out
That Marlins may target Fielder if Pujols chase fails
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MikeDiGiovanna:
Spoke to one prominent AL GM, whose response to #Angels’ rumored pursuit of Pujols was: “No way.”
nickcafardo:
Cubs definitely not in on pujols
May remain a two-horse race after all
Interesting.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
joecapMARLINS:
I’m told no ultimatum from #Marlins to albert. Will b either fish or cards. Coming down to wire, possibly before sunrise
joecapMARLINS:
was told #Marlins are “very confident” they will get Albert Pujols
Jon_Heyman:
Nothing decided yet but a good number of executives still seem to think #marlins will win pujols derby.
If Pujols were to sign what could the Marlins get for Gaby Sanchez?
I was thinking the cubs and rays could be interested in him. I would love Garza, but I think they would have to give up some extra pieces for him. Perhaps Jeff Niemann or Alex Cobb from the rays
by RaysOfHope on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Can we get rid of Leo Nunez (Oivedo) in that trade?
Just give him away for free as an extra incentive to get Garza?
Think about it, they get Gabby plus the guy with the fake identity (2 for the price of 1) and we get Garza in return.
Heck, if they feel bad about us letting Nunez go for nothing, they can send us a sack of fertilizer for the grass in the new stadium, to make it an even trade.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 7, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Nunez would be a disincentive
because of his $6M deal. Chances are adding him would at best add nothing to the trade.
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I think I've changed my mind this morning
If St. Louis offered the 10/220 that’s being reported this AM, I think he stays in St. Louis.
I wish they’d just figure it out already!
If he held that many meetings with marlins brass and even had them pre approve peramiters with MLB, and it turns out it was all just to
Gain leverage with st Louis then pujols is a douchebag.i findit hard to believe there s this much smoke and no fire. It’s funny how it’s the exact same as lebrons decision
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Taking my allegiance to the marlins put of it, putting that much interest into a team and not signing may be a shrewd business decision but makes u look like a totals-bag
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I don't think it makes him look bad
It makes him look smart. The man’s a free agent, he can do as he pleases with regards to who he will provide services to. If he had interest, but really wanted to go back to St. Louis if at all possible, how does this make him look like anything other than a smart business man? He should get the most out of what he does best.
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It's definately smart and savvy but I guess from watching MLB network, it seemed every 5 minutes they were
Reporting that his agent was going into a meeting with marlins again, and again…..and again, meeting with MLB contract specialist, then meeting again….., idk just looks a little douchey to me. Bu it is smart in a biz sense.
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 7, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
*'d-bag
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Pride is a big thing with athletes, it's about respect financially, and it took e marlins to get it from st Louis finally, u would think pujols or any athlete would consider that, but who knows
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Good morning Fish Stripers
Enjoy your day of rampant Pujols speculation!
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Merry pujols day to u sir
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Good morning
Michael, without knowing precisely where Pujols is going to sign, would you say it’s time for Fish Stripers to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?
I think that's about right
We’ll all be stark-raving mad from all the rumors today, I’m sure of it. Might as well go full crazy.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Pujols or not, still zero respect
Watching MLB Network this morning, and without fail, all of their “experts” agreed, even with Pujols, the Marlins are still behind the Phillies and the Braves. I’m not saying Albert makes them the best team in baseball, should they sign him, but come on, that’d be one hell of a lineup and would make the team instantly competitive. What say you guys? Assume no other major free agents are signed. Where do you put the Marlins, in the NL East and in the league as a whole?
Agree totally, phillies are getting old FAST, marlins would be an instant contender
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 7, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't run the numbers yet
But I think a Pujols signing does put us in the upper-80’s in wins, especially when including a Gaby Sanchez trade return. It’ll be very interesting to watch the next three years if a signing happens.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
And what everyone is forgetting when tallying wins compared to last season
is a fully healthy Josh Johnson
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 7, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and to all the law students...
2008 grad here, living outside Philly. Been making a living as a professional musician because the legal job market is so bad. Hope for the best for you guys, maybe your prospective job market won’t be as saturated, but start looking very closely at solo practice right out of law school. I’ll be opening up my own office sometime this upcoming year.
Sorry for the off topic diversion. Back to baseball!
I hear ya.
Fortunately, I set myself up real nice with a law firm through my Undergrad days, and I pretty much have a job walking out of law school.
Nonetheless, opening my own practice is my ultimate goal, and so I’ll be en route to that soon thereafter.
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by Zag on Dec 7, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Albert, Sign the deal already!!
I am starting to get an ulcer!!
Between this thread and the Reyes thread...
There seems to be more comments than the last couple months of posts combined. Lol
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
There's more stuff happening :)
Who wants to talk about the playoffs when you’re not in it?
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Just saw that Pagan was dealt to Giants
Apparently the Mets are dismantling their team.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
They didn't like Pagan's 2011
and wanted some pen help. They also did get Andres Torres, who had a similarly disappointing 2011 after a good 2010. So it’s more of a “I’ll give you my disappointing guy for yours” thing.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 7, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
The last time they did that
it was Ryan Church for Jeff Franceour….I hated that trade
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
If you want to watch the 12:15 press conference
It’ll be live on MLB.com. I want to see Reyes in the new unis personally.
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+2
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by sonnycrockett on Dec 7, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Reyes looking good in the knew uni.
I got a chuckle out of him unintentionally giving everyone the middle finger during the david wright question.
Reyes looks good in our team colors
I have a feeling Pujols is playing us to get money out of the Cards, and he is not coming
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions
Or
He could just have received a more favorable deal from St. Louis. It’s possible both teams tried, he was interested in both, and chose his preference at the end.
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Whatever, out with Pujols and in with Prince Fielder?
Marlins look interested in Fielder
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 7, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Not a fan of this
Fielder is also a little risky, and he will ask for more annually and will require a 7-8 year deal probably.
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All the talk now is that the Marlins have switched gears
Mets have been told they will get second round pick for Reyes, so no Pujols or Cards would be getting that pick.
All focus has switched to Fielder and Buhrle
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Nevermind on the pick speculation
it’s just a new rule.
But as for Buehrle, they are one of the final three
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by Terrence Hunley on Dec 7, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
It's over!
http://twitter.com/#!/jaysonst/status/144588230870827008
Apparently signing Burhle and Pujols was not viable.
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