Jose Reyes, Marlins Close On a Six-Year, $106 Million Deal
by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 10:04 PM EST
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PrintAn original H/T to Fish Stripes reader byoung for pointing this out to me while I was away, and a H/T to MLB Trade Rumors for providing us this information originally from Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportesLosAngeles which has since been confirmed by other sources such as Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports. Let's look at Rosenthal's tweet just to appreciate it:
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Ken Rosenthal Sources: #Marlins, Reyes close on six-year deal, believed to be for $110 million. #MLB
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Now, nothing yet is guaranteed, but it does appear as if the Marlins and Jose Reyes are close to agreeing on a six-year, $110 million deal. Because the team is only close to a deal, I will not get into the specifics in terms of player analysis, what we can expect in 2012 and beyond, and of course, the inevitable offseason debate of whether Hanley Ramirez or Reyes should (and would) move away from shortstop (all coming tomorrow). However, what I will get into here is a little bit of the financials that the team will face next year and beyond in just a little bit.
UPDATE: Confirmed by Ken Rosenthal as six-years, $106 million deal. Juan C. Rodriguez also confirmed.
Chris Towers previously figured how much the team was currently committed to with contracts and pre-arbitration deals. I later on used MLB Trade Rumors' projected arbitration salaries and said that the Fish would be at $67 million prior to signing any free agents. Well, now the team has signed Heath Bell and Jose Reyes to separate deals, adding up to almost $27 million more in salary for 2012, putting the team at $94 million before any other moves. If the club is looking to sign a C.J. Wilson or Mark Buehrle, they will have to at least extend the previously-rumored payroll roof from $100 million to $108 million.
Now, let's take a look at future considerations. Here are the Marlins' contractual obligations when including Reyes's deal (information from Cots Contracts)
| Player | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jose Reyes | $17.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 |
| Hanley Ramirez | $15.0 | $15.5 | $16.0 | |||
| Josh Johnson | $13.8 | $13.8 | ||||
| Ricky Nolasco | $9.0 | $11.5 | ||||
| Heath Bell | $9.0 | $9.0 | $9.0 | |||
| John Buck | $6.0 | $6.0 | ||||
| Omar Infante | $4.0 | $4.0 | ||||
| Randy Choate | $1.5 | |||||
| Total | $76.0 | $77.5 | $42.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 | $17.7 |
As you can see, the Marlins are as of right now still decently in the clear for the long term. Even if the team is looking to re-sign Mike Stanton to a long-term deal past 2017 (his first free agent season according to Cots), they would not currently have any commitments to prevent them from doing so. There is a chance Bell and Reyes are the only players under contractual obligations remaining from the 2012 Marlins team that will be playing in 2015, which reinforces the team's potential idea of the team rebuilding the core. Right now, Reyes's signing only takes a little less wiggle room away from the space necessary to build around Mike Stanton. The team could still commit to, for example, Ramirez beyond 2014 and actually have room left over for arbitration-eligible and rookie-level players to fit around the three-player core.
Right now, the deal financially does not come out all that bad. Where it may get worse is if the team must commit to another six-year deal with a player like Wilson. If the team can help it, they should go after Buehrle. A three-year deal would give the Marlins the continued flexibility to build with the current core and see whom among them (outside of Reyes) they can keep. A commitment to WIlson will almost assure the team no chance to continue with Johnson or perhaps even Ramirez with the looming certainty that Stanton will be making large amounts of cash shortly, even with an extension.
Nevertheless, Fish fans can rejoice: the biggest fish that they wanted is now an actual Fish, an actual Marlin. Congratulations to the Miami Marlins, to Jose Reyes, and to us fans! Welcome to the team Jose!
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I'd be excited if I were a Marlins fan
As an Astros fan, I can only enjoy these things vicariously through my friends who have legitimate teams to support.
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As an Astros fan, I gotta ask
How do you feel about the sale of your team and the rumor of moving to the AL West?
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm personally fine with it
A lot of fans are ridiculously mad about the whole thing and are vowing to disown the Astros, but I don’t have any particular hate towards the move except for later games. The new owner had a lot of baggage coming in, but he seems to want to put the team on a player development path that we’ve been needing for the last half decade so that’s a huge plus. If he can snatch Andrew Friedman away from the Rays like he’s rumored to be trying to do, it’d be a huge boon for the franchise as a whole.
By the way, I think y’all got a great deal with Reyes. I know he’s a risk with the injuries and all, but if he stays healthy, he can way outperform this deal. If Pujols joins him, that’s a huge change in the NL balance of power. Phillies, watch out.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 5, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
i'd be pumped about a move to AL with the DH
personally i think it’s a matter of time before both leagues have a DH. “purists” hate the DH but too many advantages to it. no one pays to see pitchers hit, can help guys like mauer, posada play every day, could keep pujols, fielder in the game longer
I'm personally against the DH
Maybe it’s all the years as a fan of NL teams, I don’t know. I think it adds to the strategy of the game having to decide whether to keep a hot pitcher in, or pull him in favor of generating runs. Kind of gives it a chess like quality, I think.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 12:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Read this on the mets blog (I was there to see their reactions to Jose Reyes)
“and get rid of the DH altogether. The whole concept of the DH is stupid. Baseball is sport where you need to be good at two things. Baseball consists of offense and defense, much like any other sport. If you want to play in the field, you have to hit. If you want to hit, you have to play in the field. If you want to pitch, you have to hit.
That is how you play baseball. I hate the concept of "Lets not have the pitcher hit because he is bad at hitting. He can’t spend time practicing hitting because then he will lose out on his time for practicing pitching." Well if that is acceptable to you, is it ok that I am a student in school but "Lets not have me do math because I am not good at math. I can’t spend time studying math because then I lose out on my time for studying science and history"?
There are two acceptable ways to look at it in my opinion.
1: The pitchers have to hit, I don’t care if they suck at hitting as long as they are good at pitching. I don’t mind them not practicing hitting as long as they excel at pitching.
2: Baseball is a game with offense and defense. If you are not going to put the time in to learn 50% of your profession, then you shouldn’t be a professional baseball player.
That’s why I absolutely hate the DH.”
I agree completely. get rid of the DH
it's also a sport that needs to be entertaining
pitchers will prob never be good at hitting & are normally mediocre running the bases. it is what it is.
-fans deserve to have the games’ stars play as much as possible.
-if DH can prove to allow catchers/injury prone players to play more games, extend careers of great hitters and make games more entertaining what is so bad with it?
huh?
im saying if it’s proven to improve/extend the careers of arod, jeter, damon, guerreo, manny, m.young, pudge, ichiro, abreu & improve everyday lineups it’s good for the game.
wasn’t this the worst overall offensive season in 15-20 years????
I meant, you said "It's a sport that needs to be entertaining"
I took that as meaning you thought it was boring without the DH.
I'm with byoung on this
I don’t care too much, but there’s just no need to watch pitchers hit. They can’t hit, so there’s no reason part of my money should go to watching them hit. Plus, when there’s a risk of guys who never get much training on swinging and running bases getting hurt while doing those things that they never are told to train, it sucks.
But it’s one of those things for which both sides have valuable points and neither will ever agree. “Discussing” whether DH or no-DH is right is very close to discussing politics. Often times just ends with people restating their previously made points.
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This is me
I think the DH should go altogether.
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by Gatorfan4life on Dec 5, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Reyes signing is good
For the lineup and to establish some legitimacy. Pujols won’t be cheap, and I’m skeptical we have a big enough wallet to woo him from St Louis.
As far as the league move for your team, I’m curious how MLB will do it. It would put an odd number of teams in each league. That means they’d have to add two teams, play interleague games all the time, or have a team in each league be idle. Kinda interesting to think about.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
There will be interleague games all the time
As in, there will be an interleague game on Opening Day and the last day of the regular season. That’s what I can’t wrap my head around. Our owner got a $70 million discount to move the team to the AL which pissed off some fans, but now it looks like he had no options otherwise.
But for the Marlins, a team that needs to get some traction in a new stadium, adding a young(ish) star to the team is huge. If Pujols joins him, that’s a ridiculous lineup. Pujols, Reyes, Hanley, Stanton, Morrison, geez.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 5, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope Hanley will willingly move to 3rd
Those 2 can be like bat man and robin together
by RaysOfHope on Dec 4, 2011 10:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not sure what's better
the marlins just got a lot better OR
the mets just got a LOT worse
I know right?
I’m practically giggling like a school girl.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the Mets suck dick.
Amazin’ Avenue is like an angry funeral. Enjoy Reyes, he was my favorite player. Now excuse me while i cry because of this. I only hope Reyes will have a lot of new fans.
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
by SuperSantana on Dec 4, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
it's very sad over there
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My condolences
I love AA’s combination of stat-driven (but not anti-other forms of) analysis and dorky sense of humor, what with the ironically bad photoshops, healthy golden era Simpsons quotations, etc.
I love AA
One of the better-run team blogs in the game. Great stuff over there, as you mentioned.
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The fact that the Mets got screwed...
…out of a first AND second round draft pick, thanks to the Heath Bell signing.
It’s moments like this when I’m damn proud to be a Marlins fan.
by d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n. on Dec 5, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
As a Mets fan just wanna say you guys are gonna love him...
when healthy, that’s the only caveat
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Dec 4, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
He’ll sulk for a bit, but he’ll eventually realize he’ll have to do what’s best for the team, or become an over paid bench warmer.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there IS going to be a hanley blow up
but the way the franchise was run prior to this year needed to end. it just had to. if hanley doesn’t want to be around a franchise or team that he can’t control with his childish acts, then that’s fine, and the marlins will be able to fetch a good package for him on the trade market. if he wants to play for a potentially good, young team where he could be a huge star, then he’ll get his attitude in line and work ethic in line.
hopefully he becomes as excited about this as the fans and everyone else around the franchise, but we’ll see.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will take it well.
maybe even love it.
They’ve both been compared to each other so much in their careers, they’ve played in the WBC together.
Mike Stanton protecting him in the lineup
larger crowds because of the new stadium
Ozzie Guillen to chew him out
if none of that gets him fired up, then I really think we should check his pulse
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
Jayson Stark says Ramirez "already agreed to move to 3B" according to sources
https://twitter.com/#!/jaysonst/status/143538452934299648
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i just saw that
i wonder how easily he agreed to it. I do like reyes, thought it was a little high though
I have a feeling that
the timing of this move isn’t a coincidence, and that the FO really wanted to get this done before the winter meetings.
my guess is that they didnt want more teams to get in on Reyes
or
they wanted the winter meetings to focus on SP
or
both
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
new leadoff hitter!!
Reyes leading off next year I’m guessing?
YOU GUYS, WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK IS GOING ON
jaysonst Jayson Stark
Even after signing Reyes, #Marlins now plan to make aggressive push to sign Pujols, sources say. More to come at ESPN.com
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions
Saw that, hard to believe
But crazy things have already happened?
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
reyes signing+mets fans' devastation+possible pujols signing....
i believe the term is sports boner…
I'll be very surprised if we land him
I’m thinking a CF and either Wilson or Buehrle will finish our spree. King Albert seems out of reach.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow that would be nuts!
Marlins are for real!
by RaysOfHope on Dec 4, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Love Reyes, but enjoy his DL stints at $18M a year, guys.
I’m one of the few Mets fans happy they walked away on this one. I don’t think Reyes stays healthy enough to justify a long term expenditure on him.
enjoy him guys
he was the most exciting met, probably the most exciting player in the game. i will miss him dearly. i’m still in shock
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so, hanley to third it is
jaysonst Jayson Stark
#Marlins people are saying it’s still possible Hanley could move to CF. But source close to Hanley says he’s already agreed to play 3B.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions
Yep mentioned it above
Exciting stuff!
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is the weirdest thing. I think I HOPE you guys sign Pujols
so Miami could have BOTH of sports’ Big 3s. That would be insane.
I think it's fine.
Wow is all I can say.
Hard to believe. but we are no longer “the underdogs”. which is kind of sad, but its exciting still.
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i can't believe this
i know this is florida, but 35 comments!!! and about half are from met fans. our thread already had 370, and the previous thread had 200. if any of you are out there, show a little excitement. it’s like a funeral over at AA. here it’s like “great”. you better enjoy this, because all met fans wish he didn’t leave. at least care. how many of you fish fans are there, 10? thats what it looks like at games.
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why are you guys so upset?
you all still have ike davis
yeah, exactly
we have as many fans as y’all have world championships in the past 20 years
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
it would seem so
i mean, idon’t see much here
your hoping this will double next year, right?
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by rexthejet on Dec 4, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Mets attendance declined for a third straight season, with the team drawing a total announced crowd of 2,352,596 in 2011. That figure was the team’s lowest in seven years, since Art Howe’s final season as manager.
The 8.1 percent decline this season comes on the heels of a 19.2 percent dropoff from the inaugural season at Citi Field to Year 2 in 2010.
Attendance dropped 21.6 percent from 2008 at Shea Stadium to 2009 at smaller-capacity Citi Field.
The last time the franchise experienced that many successive years of declining attendance came from 1988 to 1992. The organization also experienced four straight years of declining attendance from 1970 to 1974 and from 1975 to 1979.
The recent downward trend coincides with three straight losing seasons.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
reyes would rather play here in front of 10 than at your stadium with your millions of fans
says a lot about you!!
a marlin attendance joke?
wow i didnt see that one coming. you are clever, very clever indeed.
just because you are bitter, doesnt mean you need to come to this site to troll
less comments+Jose Reyes > more comments - Jose Reyes
by JoeA. on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why haven't I seen more of you around here Joe?
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by Michael Jong on Dec 5, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry Michael. Crazy work schedule lately.
I have been lurking, though. Fantastic, what you’ve done with the site.
I'm getting ahead of myself but opening day lineup...?
SS Jose Reyes
3B Hanley Ramirez
RF Mike Stanton
1B Albert Pujols
CF Yoenis Cespedes
C John Buck
LF Logan Morrison
2B Omar Infante
P Josh Johnson
by flmarlins7 on Dec 4, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No surprise there
He’ll be very expensive and the team has some in-house options now that it filled one of the two major holes in the lineup
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Why do these Mets fans gotta rain on our parade?
How many of us go to their blog to give them crap? The fact is, we offered more and he jumped. It’s not our fault their front office didn’t make a big enough offer.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what parade
6 fans isn’t a parade…
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by rexthejet on Dec 4, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Your whole "you don't have many fans" jibe is getting old.
It’s pretty easy to pack a stadium in a city with 8 million people.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You being surprised about the number of fans who have written here so far is one thing
But trolling them with comments about attendance is unnecessary. It’s also not in the least bit funny.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
hey look
on the bright side… you guys… uh, made an NLCS! and also got second place two years in a row! and now, uh… well… your team was bankrupt by a ponzi scheme… so, things are really looking up. reuben tejada!
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations on finding out that Miami has a baseball team!
The good news is that Jose will still be playing in front of Mets fans every night.
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yyyyyooouuuuuuu'rrrrrreee maaaaaad!!
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
And you have a blog you haven't updated in a week
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Dec 4, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
This blog is updated every day
Not sure where you’re going with this.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
lol, he was talking to me specifically
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 4, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I see
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
And helping the Marlins win games
I’ll take that.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because the city of New York is so great
That people decided to stay there… Wait, no they didn’t.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
as a mets fan...
i’m not here to rain on any parades. instead congratulations are in order for a fan base that just inked the most exciting product in baseball. who knows if that deal looks as good in those final years but i can guarantee you one thing, it’ll be damn interesting watching him get there.
and while i still wholeheartedly root against you guys, i can honestly say that i’m rooting hard for jose to fulfill his MVP potential and be a star for years to come, for a club that will truly appreciate him — unlike the one i’m rooting for.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 4, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Rob!
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by Michael Jong on Dec 4, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
It’s good to know there are intelligent, respectful fans of opposing teams. As far as I’m concerned, you’re welcome here, as I suspect you’d stimulate healthy debate and a unique perspective.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i got a bit carried away
enjoy reyes, he’s an exciting player. i’m ujst shocked to say the least. enjoy him. i’ve read this blog a little bit. sorry for the trolling
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Thanks
For what it’s worth, you did help double the comment total.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ha!
just wondering if fans are going to see the team this year, i mean, i like ike davis, but come on
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Well, I would say that the diehards would go
Even if they fielded a squad of girl scouts. Thick and thin. Keep the faith. Weren’t the Braves terrible before they dominated in the 90s? And I don’t recall the Phillies being all that great until recently.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 12:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course I will still attened
I love this team, no matter how bad they are I will still go
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
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That's the true heart of the fan
I applaud you sir.
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enjoy this
this feeling doesn’t happen vey often. in 06, the mets made moves like this, and it was feeling i will never forget. it is not the marlins fault that reyes left. the wilpons have no money, and they couldn’t offer much if they even tried. you guys are going in the right direction. maybe one day this met team will too, but for now, there isn’t much hope for ’12 or ’13.sorry i rained on your parade. there was realy no good reason too. enjoy this, and keep up the good work on this site. at least i have the jets…
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Remember Fish Stripers
For those Mets fans who are courteous and/or posing interesting points, thanks, and I’d be glad to discuss this with you. But again, don’t feed the Mets fan trolls.
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I'm sorry...
Shouldn’t have let them get to me.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 4, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im sorry im not sorry
i ****ing hate the mets, jets, nets.
heard they had to move the fences in b/c wright can’t hit far enough?
I respect your feelings...
And to a degree, I share them. I think Michael was just asking for us to be more civilized on a public forum. Keep Fishstripes classy and all, I guess.
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by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Marlinsfan315 hit it on the nail.
I think we can keep it respectful around here, especially since some of those fans were just trolling to be trolls. Keep it classy Fish Stripes faithful. Oh, and keep it happy!
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by Michael Jong on Dec 5, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
as the dumbest thing they have done since signing mo vaughn.
it just means that the away team will double their hr output
Look at it this way:
They’re taking their talentlessness to FishStripes and trolling the Miami Marlins blog.
by d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n. on Dec 5, 2011 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
on anther note
what do you think about those jersey’s?
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
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I like the new uniforms. They are unique.
The uniforms represent Miami well. The color scheme and art deco letters with colors scream MIAMI
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 4, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I've been a Marlins fan since I was 11 years old (1996)
Other than the two Championships, this is my happiest moment as a Marlins fan.
We have a new Stadium
We have a proper unambiguous name (Miami Marlins)
We have killer uniforms that are unique on the MLB
And we are bringing good talent again, and hopefully we will retain it this time.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 4, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions
enjoy it
i felt this way in 06. for you, i hope it lasts longer then it did for me
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
The Official Seinfeld Gif-Man of GGN!!!!!!!!
i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.
Same here
Thanks, we’re hoping to get some mileage out of this core for the next three years.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
LoMo works fast.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mets fan here clearly
I hope Jose gets hurt during the press conference but if not enjoy Jose while healthy because he is amazing.
Excited to watch him, thanks!
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Granted 6 years is more than I would have wanted
but I am jealous that you have a team that actually has money to spend.
by Shinjo Is God on Dec 5, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
You're jealous, I'm surprised
The NL East is a strange beast nowadays
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 5, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't always like that for us
We’ve been the laughing stock of the league for years with payroll. I think Sports Illustrated did an article on A-Rod a while back and mentioned that his salary was more than our entire payroll. Your team got swindled out of its cash, but they will bounce back. Crap happens, but they will be competitive eventually.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
by marlinsfan315 on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Marlins have essentially signed him to a contract that gives him room to spend more than a month each year on the DL while still getting what they’ve paid for. It’s possible that they’ll get exactly that, and Reyes will produce value for five months while watching on the sidelines for an extended period each year, but I don’t think anyone has figured out how to forecast injury projections so well that we should recognize that there isn’t real potential value to be had in this deal.
If Reyes manages to stay reasonably healthy for most of the next six years, the Marlins are going to get a lot of surplus value from this contract. They’ve signed an elite player who isn’t yet 30 years old and whose skillset historically ages quite well. He doesn’t have to be the next ironhorse to earn this contract — he just has to stay away from something like a skillset-altering leg injury. Essentially, if he can avoid the Grady Sizemore career path, he’s a pretty good bet to be worth this contract and then some.
by rayrayrayrayrayrayrayray on Dec 5, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Will have more on that tomorrow
While I’m skeptical of how much inflation Cameron suggests, I do think he has an important point.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
So Pumped!
I have been a Marlins fan since the beginning in 93’ and only 3 times have I been this excited first is when we signed Gary Sheffield and the next 2 are winning our two WS Championships.
Finally we are going out are spending with the big teams and that combinded with the awesomeness of our new stadium and of living in Miami itself is one hell of a sweet package for these free agents.
The fact that nobody thinks we are done yet is so exciting too, I can’t wait to see who else we can reel in. This is the start of a new era for our Marlins and the future is bright. GO MARLINS!!!
by WPack911 on Dec 5, 2011 1:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Different Time
You don’t understand how little the Marlins made when they were leasing at their old stadium, they made nothing from concession sales or parking and paid more then any other leasing team in MLB just to play in a completely uncovered football stadium with bad sight lines for the fans.
In contrast they will now be flush with cash as they make all the concessions and parking money and no longer have to pay anything to play in their new state of the art retractable roof stadium with baseball sight lines, its newness alone will sell it out at first, but put a good team on the field to boot and it will keep selling out for the long run. It’s pure profit for the Marlins and if they build a good team the fans will be happy too and thus everybody wins.
Now I Ask The Question That Should Be On All Our Minds:
Does Jerry Seinfeld change his dog’s name?
by d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n. on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions
this
but im sorry, the marlins have the victory today.
by Shinjo Is God on Dec 5, 2011 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah; here's my feeling as a Mets fan: short term, this hurts because I love Jose Reyes. But rationally, I know it's a good thing the Mets walked away.
Finally, the Mets have a GM who can walk away from a huge long term commitment to a risky player. He’s going to get hurt a lot over the next 6 years, I fear. So let another team deal with the hamstrings, etc., while paying him $18M a year.
See now that's a response that's worth responding to
Your troll comments were not. And Alderson is great, and I’m glad you guys made the right move to stay away from Reyes, as your team badly needs rebuilding. But for the Marlins, this was a good idea for many reasons.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
Please; you complain about our trolls, but scroll up and tell me how many Marlins' fans' comments saying how happy they are they screwed over the Mets. Two way street, pal.
If you guys want to bash the Mets, you can’t be upset when we come to their defense.
You are on our blog buddy.
We just took our division rival’s best player from them of course we are gonna be happy, not only did we get better, but you guys got worse, that is a double win for us. You would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot and you know it.
We don’t come to crap on your blog, so why do feel the need to troll ours?
See below
Again, two Mets bashers (and they barely commented on it), a relative flood (given our admittedly smaller audience) of Mets fan backlash. I don’t think it’s equal.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
Mike, let's be real here
I remember last season when a Marlin GDT had around 18 total comments. 18. I know that there will be trolls tonight but you have to remember that a very passionate fanbase just lost a home grown player to a division rival(which pisses me off the most). I wish Jose and the Marlins the best but I will also be booing with all my heart at his first game back to Queens.
by Shinjo Is God on Dec 5, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not even THAT upset; yes, I'm upset short term about losing Reyes, but rationally, I know it was the right call.
After the deal became official, I googled “Marlins Blog” so I could see the fan reaction. So google led me here, and I started seeing comments such as “I don’t know what makes me happier: the marlins improving or making the Mets worse!” So I felt the need to stick up for my team a bit.
I count three comments that lament the excitement of how Marlins are getting better while the Mets are getting worse
I count many more comments making attendance jokes that are very old and mentioning the team’s past in a way that is more trolling than discussion.
Yes, I didn’t like those comments either, but let’s be honest: I think the thread has filled more with vitriol from Mets fans over the signing than over the fact that two or three of Fish Stripes’s commenters were “bashing” the Mets.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
Ok, whatever you want; it is your blog. I've got to get back to work anyways, so sorry about the "trolling". Enjoy Jose when he's on the field; as a division rival, I hope that's never; as a baseball fan, I hope that's a lot.
Hopefully for you guys the warm weather helps out his hammy’s and keeps him on the field.
We'll see what happens with him
I’m excited, and you can rev up to boo him as a Marlin all you want. I appreciate that coming from someone who regularly boos other teams :)
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
more like 17 mil a year....jpjp
"Im in psychoville and Finkle's the mayor"
"Your gun is digging into my hip"
My doc told me to act like a robot for the next week. Great prognosis! Me and Johnny-5 will be one...
by GoNuckingFuts on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
YOU SUCK!!!
from a Mets fan…
the state of the Mets finacial problems suck for us fans. You guys have some good stuff happening this season
Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all
If you had asked me in 2010 if this would ever happen, I would have said "No Way!"
I can’t believe it. It’s getting fun to be a Marlins fan again. Not that it never was, but the rain delays, intense Florida heat, and tiny payroll made for some sad times.
Oh well, “Happy days are here again.”
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Dec 5, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions
Awesome signing.
Good that he signed for less than Crawford. I think its kind of rough though that he hasn’t played more than 126 games in a season since 2008, but he is putting up good enough numbers while missing those games. I’m just thinking, he signed without a no trade clause, so if he continues to be good, and the Marlins don’t match the free agent signings with wins, they might trade him to one of those big market teams that were checking in on him a lot. I’m just happy to see another team trying to compete in the NL East. It’s going to be a good race so far.
Exciting time to be a Marlins fan.
I was going to bed just as the news was breaking last night. I had a hard time sleeping!
Hope they can get Wilson or Buehrle, that will make it even better.
I am stoked!!!!! Great to be a Miami Marlin!!
"Im in psychoville and Finkle's the mayor"
"Your gun is digging into my hip"
My doc told me to act like a robot for the next week. Great prognosis! Me and Johnny-5 will be one...
by GoNuckingFuts on Dec 5, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Indeed it is.
GO:Gators, Dolphins, Heat, Marlins, and Yankees
he who fears losing, has already lost
FLORIDA Marlins Forever!
by Gatorfan4life on Dec 5, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
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