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Fish Stripes Off-Topic Thread, Week of 12/31/11

Hey everyone, happy New Year's Eve! Welcome to the second Fish Stripes weekly (though not last week) Off-Topic Thread! Let's remind everyone of the rules:

- No political or religious discussion. Those are strictly against our community guidelines.

- Nothing that is NSFW (not safe for work). That includes pictures or links.

- If you upload pictures or GIFs, make sure you keep them small. Makes it easy on everyone's loading times.

- Remain cordial as you would be in the front-page threads. Think of this as a side conversation going on during a party at someone's house, Fish Stripes being the house. You still don't want to be rude while at someone else's house, even if you're off in the corner joking about that guy's tacky decor.

To give everybody some direction, here are two topics to start you guys off with:

1) As we enter the new year, what are your resolutions? Perhaps more importantly, what should the Marlins' resolutions be? What are you wishing for them for the new year?

2) Is one of your wishes Matt Garza? Apparently the Marlins are serious about him. Discuss.

Take it away guys.

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Oh, and in case you're wondering

perhaps the Fish could be better off trying for Wandy Rodriguez if the Garza push fails? As per this SB Nation Houston piece: http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-astros/2011/12/31/2673130/miami-marlins-a-good-fit-for-wandy-rodriguez

by Michael Jong on Dec 31, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Looking at Wandy's contract

2 yrs (+ 2014 option), $26.5 million, $10.5 in 2012 and $13.5 in 2013, seems a bit too expensive to me, unless we can minimize the players traded. Maybe Gaby + Coghlan + Ceda would be enough?

by ocelotfox on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh there's no way the Astros will get as much as the Cubs would get

since Rodriguez is being paid more. I honestly think Sanchez should be more than enough, honestly.

by Michael Jong on Dec 31, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think Oswalt is a better investment for the team

But I don’t know if I would prefer acquiring Wandy to Garza.

Wandy 2009-11 AVG: fWAR – 3.03, rWAR – 3.36
Garza 2009-11 AVG: fWAR – 3.23, rWAR – 2.9

Both seem about equal over the past three years, so for the projected money, Garza does look like a better value going forward. I guess it all depends on what it takes to get one or the other. If it were a straight up Wandy for Gaby trade, then maybe that would make me feel better.

by ocelotfox on Dec 31, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd bet they'd want someone young

Dominguez should be right up their alley. Sanchez and Dominguez would do it, perhaps with them taking money off of Rodriguez’s deal to make up for the value gap.

by Michael Jong on Dec 31, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I just feel like even that's too much

Unless the Astros keep a substantial amount of the deal on their end, something like $4 million. We’d essentially be giving up two team-controlled talents worth an estimated 5 WAR (Gaby’s at about 3, and Dominguez’s defense would probably put him around 2) together for a pitcher worth about 3 WAR at best with a team-unfriendly contract. Maybe I’m over-thinking it, but I just feel nervous about Wandy, especially when that basically forces us to find a center fielder at this late stage of free agency. Oh, if only we’d kept Cameron Maybin…

by ocelotfox on Dec 31, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd imagine they'd take at least that much back

It’s not hard to imagine them taking $6M back on a trade.

by Michael Jong on Jan 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Matt Garza is a good pitcher, but I would rather see the Marlins pursue other avenues. Garza will quickly become expensive in arbitration and it will take good prospects to acquire him.

It’s been said before, but Roy Oswalt makes a lot of sense (for the Marlins and a lot of other teams).

I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.

by EricW on Dec 31, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I would love to have Oswalt on a one year deal. $14M or $15M is a decent price. Get it done!

Or, imagine, being able to be magically whisked away to... Delaware. Hi. I'm in Delaware.

by Eric Ely on Dec 31, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get Garza for Sanchez and Dominguez, as Michael pointed out, the Marlins would be in great shape. If we do trade Gaby, I fully expect us to go all-in for Cespedes.

by ek1124 on Dec 31, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Some unrelated news I read in a Venezuelan newspaper:

Original Link

Google Translation:

After undergoing surgery to repair his left shoulder, Hanley Ramirez says he’s almost fully recovered from their problems.

“The shoulder responds and we are at 95 percent and recovery. I’m happy and better than ever,” Ramirez told The Associated Press on Friday during a break from their workouts batting Quisqueya Stadium.

Ramirez, 28, comes from the worst season of his career, batting .243 with 10 homers and 45 RBIs in 92 games before shoulder problems take him out of action.

But now that he’s recovered from his injuries, Ramirez will face an imminent transition to the Miami Marlins, who hired his compatriot, shortstop Jose Reyes to play in the position that Ramirez has held throughout his career.

Despite rumors that Ramirez was upset and refused to change position, the batting champion of the National League in 2009, says that all these comments are false.

“I’ve talked to (manager Ozzie) Guillen and we want to win with the Marlins. When January comes, we’ll see what happens with the change of position and others. If it is in third, well, where I put to win I’ll do, "he said.

He also highlighted the good relationship between him and his new teammate Reyes.

“Between Kings and I no problem. I respect him a lot, he is a great person,” he said.

He also spoke of the new environment that exists in the Marlins, who have changed their name (from Florida to Miami), stadium and have acquired several players for 2012.

“We’re a new Marlins, also a new Hanley. Good things to come next season,” he said.

This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its equipos. MLB

For 2012 season: ALEX RIOS is my new TONY PENA.

by JofpGallagher on Jan 1, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Very big news

It’s the first I’ve heard, but that would be excellent news if it’s true. If Ramirez has no problem with the move, the Marlins will be in good shape in 2012.

by Michael Jong on Jan 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I'm late to the off-topic thread

But in some truely off-topic stuff: Anyone catch the Heat’s first 5 games? I haven’t been able to catch any of the games, but would love to hear some fellow FL sports fans take on the 2012 Heat. Great start so far, at least from reading the box score and highlights.

by guitarist416 on Jan 2, 2012 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

I've seen what's been aired nationally

They look great. I’m really glad Spoelstra increased the pace of the team this season, as they’re designed to run and yet were among the slowest teams in basketball last year. The Big Three have all looked very good, but the defense has lapsed at times. As always, the current problem is the club’s lack of size and subsequent rebounding problems.

Just my takes, from a bandwagon jumper (sorry!) who reads up on basketball advanced stats too.

by Michael Jong on Jan 2, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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