Miami Marlins 2012 Quick Projection
Yesterday, Grant Brisbee of SB Nation's Baseball Nation said that the Marlins, after all their free-spending ways so far this season, are on their way to being the most interesting team in 2012.
The first thing you might notice about that lineup: There isn't a dreadful player in the bunch. It's not like Bonifacio, Buck, and Infante are stars, but they are pretty good bets to be average hitters for their positions. The same would go for Sanchez and Morrison. Ramirez is a great rebound candidate if he's not pouting, Reyes is fantastic, and Mike Stanton is one of the more fascinating players in the league.
The rotation is a similar group. There's a chance that Josh Johnson won't be right, or that Anibal Sanchez's newfound durability is a mirage. Maybe Nolasco's strikeout-to-walk ratio really is just a tease, and maybe Volstad's sinker won't be helped all that much with a new shortstop. But there isn't a dreadful, what's-this-guy-doing-here pitcher in the bunch.
This is very similar to what I said after the Marlins failed to acquire Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, losing both to the Los Angeles Angels.
And in the end, even though the Marlins missed out on two free agent targets, they came out of the Winter Meetings as relatively successful. Marlins fans should not fret for the team's more immediate lack of signings or their inability to pry away talent from the Angels' hands. The Fish signed three players in the last week, and two of the deals were solid acquisitions with decent chances to pay off and which will sorely help the team in the next two or three seasons. Sure, one other deal was a likely mistake, but it still is likely to improve the team in 2012, and the Marlins are throwing caution to the wind in order to improve in 2012 and prove to the fan base that they deserve to be watched at the new stadium.
But all of that avoids one critical question as we head into the new year: how good are the Marlins right now? Well, despite the difficulty of prognostication, I will attempt to answer that question with some quick estimated projections.
Note: These projections are back-of-the-envelope deals, so they should be taken as nothing more than estimates with a little calculation behind them. They are reasonable and based on the numbers, but are very rough. Then again, most projections from even the most complicated of systems are like that too, so there's that. Take everything that follows here with a grain of salt.
ProjectionsFor projections, I looked at the FanGraphs fans projections (to which I have not yet contributed) for the significant players on the roster so far this season. All PA numbers are from either the Fans or Bill James projections. I assumed the bench would produce zero WAR and the bullpen would produce 1.0 WAR in total outside of Heath Bell, who deserves his own projection. I compared that to my own off-the-cuff projections based on calculations that I have been making for articles over the course of the offseason. I claim that these are nothing more than guesses right now, and I will be doing more thorough projections before the season begins. Let's take a quick glance.
| Player | Fan PA | Fan WAR | My WAR | Avg WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| John Buck | 482 | -- | 1.5 | 1.5 |
| Gaby Sanchez | 643 | 2.9 | 2.5 | 2.7 |
| Omar Infante | 560 | -- | 2.0 | 2.0 |
| Hanley Ramirez | 635 | 5.1 | 4.5 | 4.8 |
| Jose Reyes | 623 | 4.5 | 5.0 | 4.8 |
| Mike Stanton | 659 | 5.5 | 5.0 | 5.2 |
| Emilio Bonifacio | 487 | -- | 1.0 | 1.0 |
| Bryan Petersen | 256 | -- | 0.5 | 0.5 |
| Logan Morrison | 593 | 3.2 | 2.0 | 2.6 |
| Player | Fan IP | Fan WAR | My WAR | Avg WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Josh Johnson | 179 | 5.3 | 5.0 | 5.2 |
| Anibal Sanchez | 196 | 3.4 | 3.5 | 3.4 |
| Mark Buehrle | 208 | 2.7 | 3.0 | 2.9 |
| Ricky Nolasco | 197 | 3.7 | 2.0 | 2.9 |
| Chris Volstad | 164 | -- | 1.0 | 1.0 |
| Heath Bell | 65 | 0.9 | 2.0 | 1.5 |
In case you were wondering, that adds up to 24 WAR from position players and 17.5 WAR from pitchers (with 1.0 WAR from the rest of the bullpen). If you take the average WAR component when factoring in some of the fan expectations, you get 25.1 WAR from position players and 17.9 WAR from pitchers, leading to a similar total. Either way, you are looking potentially at a team that could gather 41 or 42 wins above replacement. Even lopping off a nine percent from that total to account for injury and likely fan bias and you're looking at 37 wins above replacement.
What does that add up to in terms of real wins? At this point, I'm not all that certain, as there is some controversy regarding how many wins a replacement team now would earn; in the past, that number for FanGraphs's calculations was always set at 48 wins. If it were still at 48 wins, the Marlins could be right around 85-89 wins at this point, given some of our assumptions. Here is the list of the top teams from 2011 in terms of FanGraphs WAR:
| Team | WAR Bat | WAR Pitch | WAR Tot |
| Rangers | 38.9 | 21.7 | 60.6 |
| Yankees | 36.2 | 23.7 | 59.9 |
| Red Sox | 39.2 | 20.3 | 59.5 |
| Phillies | 24.1 | 27.5 | 51.6 |
| Brewers | 32.9 | 18.1 | 51 |
| Cardinals | 34.3 | 14.3 | 48.6 |
| Tigers | 28.5 | 20 | 48.5 |
| Diamondbacks | 31.5 | 15.9 | 47.4 |
| Rays | 31.6 | 14.5 | 46.1 |
| Angels | 24.2 | 19.6 | 43.8 |
| Giants | 18.1 | 22.9 | 41 |
| Dodgers | 24.1 | 16.5 | 40.6 |
| White Sox | 13.9 | 26.4 | 40.3 |
| Reds | 33.1 | 7 | 40.1 |
| Royals | 25.6 | 13.5 | 39.1 |
| Braves | 18.2 | 20.6 | 38.8 |
| Marlins | 20.9 | 15.8 | 36.7 |
| Rockies | 21.2 | 14.9 | 36.1 |
| Blue Jays | 21.3 | 12.5 | 33.8 |
| Nationals | 19.8 | 13.7 | 33.5 |
| Mets | 24 | 8.8 | 32.8 |
| Padres | 22.8 | 9.4 | 32.2 |
| Cubs | 18.7 | 13.3 | 32 |
| Athletics | 11.7 | 18.6 | 30.3 |
| Indians | 14.6 | 15.5 | 30.1 |
| Orioles | 14.8 | 8.1 | 22.9 |
| Mariners | 5.1 | 17.5 | 22.6 |
| Pirates | 14.6 | 6.9 | 21.5 |
| Astros | 17.3 | 4.1 | 21.4 |
| Twins | 10 | 10.8 | 20.8 |
Looking at the total WAR available and dividing it evenly among all thirty teams, the replacement level last season would have been around 42 wins. If that were the case (and that does sound low), we'd be looking a Marlins team that is currently between 79 and 84 wins. The high end sounds far more likely in my opinion. Teams with similar WAR totals from last season include the Angels (86 total wins in 2011), San Francisco Giants (86), Los Angeles Dodgers (82), and Chicago White Sox (79). This set of teams supports the 79 to 84 win range.
So if the Marlins are a true-talent team in the low- to mid-80's in wins, should they be concerned or looking for more? For all intents and purposes, the Marlins sound like they are digging for more in free agency or the trade market, so it seems the team is not content with the product they are currently set to put out. An acquisition like Roy Oswalt may be just the thing the team needs: a pickup that has the potential to put on a four-win season out of the blue and be paid less than his potential contribution on a one-year deal. While that might not put the team over the hump, the club still has time and perhaps a bit of luck to put themselves in fringe contention for a Wild Card spot.
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We're still missing something
I know this isn’t realistic, but what about this to fill the holes? Trade Hanley, Gaby, Coghlan and Matt Dominguez to Rays for Longoria and Shields. Sign Cespedes and move LoMo to 1st. What do you think
projected line-up and rotation
Reyes
Boni
LoMo/Longoria
Stanton
LoMo/Longoria
Cespedas
Infante
Buck
Pitcher
Rotation
JJ
Shields
Buerle
Anibal
Nolasco
100% not going to happen
There is no way to trade for Longoria. His contract makes him completely untouchable.
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Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 30, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
What's best then?
Do you agree we are still lacking pieces? I think Cespedes is realistic, but a top tier pitcher is still needed to compete.
What are some realistic solutions?
In my opinion, the piece missing is a starting pitcher rather than a position player. Cespedes would be nice. Oswalt would be nicer. How about Garza? How much is Epstein asking for him?
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.
by JofpGallagher on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Prince Fielder is still available
If they were willing to spend on Pujols, why not on hometown (C Fla) Fielder?
I would say that right now the Marlins are an 83 win true talen team. If you give them back the bad luck they had last year, there is the potential for a 90 win season.
But if they were to sign Fielder and deal Sanchez for relief help, that 83 wins turns into an 86 win team, less dependant on luck, and shores up the bullpen.
Obviously it doesnt work out to well, but one option regarding Sanchez might be to try and deal him then to Milwaukee for John Axford straight up. Not very plausible since Bell is on board now, but it gives a very potent 8th and 9th inning and probably the chance for an 88 win team and definite contender.
If the Marlins want to bolster number of wins....
Sign a starting pitcher.
Last 3 seasons
Volstad: 8.6 wins over 29.33 starts fWAR = 1.1
Oswalt: 10 wins over 28.66 starts fWAR = 3.4 (missed about 10 in 2011 starts due to injuries)
Garza: 11 wins over 31.67 starts fWAR = 3.23 (5 last year)
I am aware the stats comparison above has very little value, but with Garza instead of Volstad, there is a chance to add up 3.or 4 more wins with a lot of upside. There is also upside with Oswalt, but he comes more pricey and riskier. Garza is under control for 2 more year for less than 10 millions.
I think Michael brought a good point. Getting another decent starter may bring 4 or 5 wins which could put the Marlins in a strong position to compete against the Phillies and Braves.
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.
by JofpGallagher on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Do the Marlins have what it takes to land Garza though?
Probably not. Unless they are ok with unloading Yelich and Dominguez.
And then what do you do with Volstad? put him in the bullpen, or ship him off for utility help?
Sign Cespedes
trade whatever it takes for Garza.
Start with Gaby and Dominguez. Then add Ozuna/Yeilch and maybe James.
play whatever combination of Coghlan/Boni/Peterson works best in LF.
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That scares me.
Two soft tossing lefties in the same rotation.
For two seasons of Garza?
Let’s not forget that before this past season, he was a true-talent 4.00 ERA type (if you buy his FIP more than his ERA, which I do given the presence of the Rays’ defense among other things). Plus, he’ll likely be earning close to $10M per season over the next two years.
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Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 30, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was 2 years 10 million
not 10 per. (must had misread jofGallagher’s post)
I think Gaby would be expendable.
I think Dominguez isn’t that great, and this might be a high point for his stock.
I do like Yelich and Ozuna. But I think one is expendable because Cespedes and Stanton would lock up 2 OF spots for the foreseeable future.
James I just threw out there…because. I do think he would be adding too much for Garza.
If we sign Cespedes I think that that should be the package we shop for a SP.
The price of SP is outrageous right now and unless we get someone >=Shields for that package I think the other team will have gotten the better amount of talent. But it would still be a successful transaction for us.
P.S. I got “The Book” for Christmas per your suggestion. I’m just finishing the batting order chapter
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
Great stuff on "The Book"
It’s a fascinating read. For those of you who haven’t picked it up, it’s a must have.
I misspoke, he’ll probably make $7-8M this season and $10-11M next season, so average of around $9M. He made about $6M last year in his second arb season, so that looks about right, if not a little low after his great 2011.
The point is he’s pretty expensive, and before 2011 he was just a good pitcher. He’s going to regress some, and giving up all of those players for him seems like too much. We’re not deep in our organization, so I don’t know how I feel about making that move for two years of Garza. I’d rather hold onto folks. There’s not enough contract and team control on Garza to make him worth what the Cubs are asking for in my opinion.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 30, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was 5 mil and 5 mil
which is cheap for his caliber.
the cubs are asking too much, but its almost like everyone is asking too much for their SP.
I think we really should have a “win now” mindset and do whatever we can to improve, we should capitalize on the attention we will be receiving for the new stadium…..Garza should not be a goal but a fallback to Shields, hopefully the price for SPs will go down before we actually make a move.
http://baseballperiod.blogspot.com/
I would like the Fish to sign Oswalt, and maybe another reliever for some depth in the pen
But other than that, I think this team is pretty much set for the year.
I'd be in agreement with this
A starter would be enough. Two win upgrade over Volstad probably, and that puts us right around the “if you’re lucky, you’re in contention” line.
Fish Stripes, a Florida Marlins blog
Author, Baseball Prospectus Fantasy
by Michael Jong on Dec 30, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
As I mentioned in a previous piece
I’d be in favor of Jackson as well. Really, Jackson or Oswalt would be fine, with Oswalt preferable because of the lower-risk deal.
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by Michael Jong on Dec 30, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions




















