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2011 Marlins Season Review: Second Base

On Monday, we checked in on Gaby Sanchez and the Marlins' situation at first base in 2011. While that area was an area of stability between 2010 and 2011, second base was an area of significant change on all fronts. Gone were the days of home run blasting and range-lacking defensive play that highlighted the tenure of Dan Uggla. While few could say that they did not enjoy Uggla's tenure (he was my favorite player on the team for a while), even fewer could argue that the Marlins should have agreed to the contract he eventually signed with the Atlanta Braves.

In the team's failure to sign Uggla to an extension, they acquired another player from the Braves to replace him in Omar Infante. Infante could be seen as the total antithesis of Uggla; his skillset was a completely different beast from his predecessor. However, different does not always mean better, and Infante's game last season certainly had its share of ups and downs that need to be discussed.

Second Base


G PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ fWAR*rWAR**
2011 - Omar Infante 148 579 .276 .315 .382 .305 88 2.6 3.4

*Denotes Fangraphs Wins Above Replacement
** Denotes Baseball-Reference Wins Above Replacement. Note that in both WAR metrics, a WAR of 2.0 is approximately an average major-league baseball player in a 600-650 PA season.

The Good

Looking at that line, one might suspect that there is not a whole lot of good to discuss with regards to Infante. After all, his production at the plate was 12 percent worse than the league average. However, it is important to point out that a good deal of that problem came in the first half of the season, when Infante was mired in an awful slump. In the second half, his bat certainly woke up.

2011 TimeAVGOBPSLG
Before All-Star Break .259 .304 .314
After All-Star Break .314 .348 .493

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Now, typically I would put no emphasis on something like this; after all, hitters go on hot streaks all the time, and usually these are not terribly indicative of anything. But notice how similar his post-All-Star break numbers are to his most recent performances with the Braves.

TimeAVGOBPSLG
After All-Star Break, 2011 .314 .348 .493
Atlanta Braves, 2008-2010 .309 .353 .411

The power was up, and that' is certain to regress, but when we look some of the other peripherals, they look very similar.

Time K% BB% XB/H ISO BABIP
After All-Star Break, 2011 11.8 5.1 0.569 .179 .338
Atlanta Braves, 2008-2010 12.4 6.5 0.330 .102 .343

The numbers to focus on are his non-power numbers. His strikeouts remained low all season, so his contact ability has been mostly retained. The difference in his walk rates are significant, but both are around his career numbers. The one striking similarity is in batting average on balls in play; outside from his first half in 2011, during which he hit .274 on balls in play, Infante has successfully reached on 34 percent of his balls in play. While that is an unusually high number, it has occurred over a time span of three seasons and over 1000 PA, meaning there is some significance to it. Sure, we are not likely to see him hit at that level next season. However, this suggests that Infante's second half is more closely associated to his current true talent than his first half, and that his overall season line should trend slightly higher for next year.

Of course, Infante's strength was never his bat, and the Marlins emphasized this when they acquired him; the team wanted his glove at second base a lot more. Infante had not had a full season at one position since 2004, so it must have been a welcoming sight to see him get the nod at second base for the entire season. He responded well by all accounts, earning himself Gold Glove consideration and significant praise from various defensive statistics and the fans voting on the Fans Scouting Report. According to the stats, Infante saved between eight and 16 runs this season with his glove, which would more than make up for his sub-standard batting line. This made up a good deal of his value in terms of both fWAR and rWAR, making him an above average player in spite of his bat.

The Bad

As some have pointed out prior to the start of this series, just because Infante's hitting in the second half was on fire, it does not mean that his first-half struggles should be ignored and that his overall line can be glossed over. This is especially true when that overall line is so similar to that of his career mark.

InfanteAVGOBPSLGwOBAwRC+
2011 Season .276 .315 .382 .305 88
Career .275 .318 .393 .311 88

The stunning similarity is hard to shake. Despite the stark contrast from his Atlanta Braves days, there remains the possibility that this is quite literally who Infante is. He never played full time with the Braves, which meant that he had ample rest during the season and was not depended upon to play everyday as he was for the Marlins this year. Despite his second-half surge, maybe the explanation of the return to his normal days lies in the rigors of a full season. Perhaps he never had the time to fully regress while in a Braves uniform, but was given enough time to "be himself" with the Fish.

But we already showed that Infante can be a competent ballplayer even with his 2010 batting profile. Why should Marlins fans be concerned that that is who he is as a hitter? Perhaps because his defense is not necessarily a guarantee. Prior to this season, Infante was just an average second baseman according to the defensive statistics. In addition, he had never played a full year, so we did not have any idea what to expect from him. If he is a wizard with the glove at second base, then yes, his career batting line will be enough for the Marlins. However, if it turns out that this was an outlier season defensively, the team will receive significantly less production.

The Future

Of course, financially this will hardly make a difference. Unless Infante flops, he will always be worth the value of his contract, as his two-year extension pays him a paltry $4 million a season. That may be worth less than one WAR in the free agent market, meaning the Marlins are basically paying him like a bench player expected to start. Even with average defense and his 2011 batting line, Infante could match that production. The Marlins have quite a deal on their hands.

The Rest

The second baseman of the future was supposed to be Osvaldo Martinez, but after his poor showing in Triple-A, the Marlins saw fit to deal him in the trade that netted them Ozzie Guillen -- yes, that's right, prospects for a manager. Nevertheless, the team is currently without much of a backup other than utility player Emilio Bonifacio. The team witnessed this lack of depth first-hand last season, as even with Martinez the club could not replicate Infante's performance when he was out with a hand injury.

Fish Stripes readers, what say you regarding Infante's 2011 season? Did you approve? Let us know in the comments.

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He's a fine player

He’s not the best or the worst, but good enough

by PhinPhan910 on Nov 9, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hated him until about July, as long as he isn’t leading off and making many outs, I’m fine with him. Defense is very good.

by tedhill on Nov 9, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

I really like Infante

He is cheap,a good contact bat and very good at defense

by RaysOfHope on Nov 9, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cheap is the operative word

At the rate the Marlins are paying him, he’d have to really bomb not to provide value for the price.

by Michael Jong on Nov 9, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's the perfect type of value player

Replaceable in a few years, but good enough to get by with until a better option surfaces, especially if he can take his second half performance into full-season territory.

by ocelotfox on Nov 9, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

2010: 506 PA .321/.359 26 XBH 7 SB
2007-2009, 2011: 1395 PA .285/.320 90 XBH 10 SB

doesn’t have much upside.
unless he hits .310 he can’t get on base. good 8th hitter though.
and he is cheap.

with a lineup of reyes, cogz/boni, infante, P spot can the team overcome it’s low power?

by byoung on Nov 9, 2011 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

Your split doesn't make any sense

You took away his best season, of course he’s going to look worse as a result. That’s not analysis, that’s cherry picking; everyone’s going to look worse when you do that. That will not fly here.

Runs are runs are runs. At extremes, yes it would be significantly more difficult to achieve runs with an all-powerless lineup. But at the MLB level, you’re never going to see that. Having three of your eight hitters be popless will not hurt the team if those three hitters are decent in other areas and make runs in other ways. Reyes achieves his offense through solid contact hitting and speed on the bases. Fielder, for example, makes (a significant greater amount of) runs with his bat, but he does still give away runs on the bases and on defense. You have to consider the total package.

by Michael Jong on Nov 9, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

huh?

saying “wait, what if you believe 2010 was an aberration; his best year?” and seeing how he did in the surrounding FOUR SEASONS is not cherry picking when the guy now has 10 seasons under his belt. this isn’t a contract negoatiation.
sorry it shows that he’s more likely a .320 obp guy. which he was (.315) this season.

by byoung on Nov 9, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Picking out one year to exclude makes it cherry picking

For example:

Infante, 2008-2010: .309/.353/.411
Infante, 2011: .276/.315/.382

Clearly, 2011 is the outlier year among these four seasons, therefore he’s more likely to be the 2008-2010 version.

That analysis is just as cherry-picked as yours. Just because 2010 (or any of the years) may have been an outlier season, it doesn’t mean you simply do not include it. A better show of his skill would be:

Infante, 2007-2011: .294/.336/.396

Again, I can take the best season from any player, call it an “outlier,” and make his remaining career look worse. In addition, your splitting of the data has no time logic to it; there’s a random gap in between the “rest-of-career” numbers. If there were a time sensitivity (for example. his best season was three years ago, and since then he hasn’t been as good), it would make more sense.

The important thing to note is that it is always better to include more sample than less. This is provided the sample is still relevant to the player; numbers from 10 years ago are no longer indicative of a player’s talent. This is why usually we use data from the past three seasons to project what a player will do in the future. For reference:

Infante, 2009-2011: .298/.339/.396

I would bet that that is a better guess of his future performance than the line you got by splitting off his best year. The line’s not a whole lot different, but it does make a difference.

by Michael Jong on Nov 9, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

love it

the guy is a career .275/.318 hitter.
he hits .276/.315 in his latest (full) season.
naturally, it makes more sense when you say he’s closer to .298/.339
and i’m not making sense when i say he’s closer to .275/.318 or .285/.320

by byoung on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you get it

He’s saying that you don’t just get to pick out on season, toss it out and say that’s who he is.

by CTowers on Nov 9, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly what Chris said

The bottom line is that the way you arrived at your numbers is not appropriate. You cannot simply remove a season from consideration just because you think it was an outlier. That’s not appropriate analysis. You have to include everything the player has done, including the good (2010) and bad (2011).

And you have to keep it within the last three or so seasons, because how indicative of Infante’s age 30 talent is his performance at age 22 in Detroit? It’s too long ago, we would weigh it a lot less than we would his current stats.

If you’d like, you can remove a player’s best and worst season in a given time period and see how that works. It’s only fair to the player being analyzed.

by Michael Jong on Nov 9, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

no i get it.

- i believe you’re over-valuing numbers derived from when he was mostly a platoon hitter.

hopefully im wrong & i’ve made certain the guy will hit .350 next year.
FWIW, using excluding the outliers (‘07,’10) from past 5 seasons his splits are .287/.330. aww compromise….

by byoung on Nov 9, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No need to get a negative tone

Chris and I are trying to point out that you should not exclude numbers from the sample just because you think they’re outliers. His numbers are more indicative if you include all of his data from the last three seasons. I’m using three because most projection systems use three seasons to predict the following season.

Was he a platoon hitter in Atlanta? Let’s take a look:

2008: 215 PA vs. RHP (61.8%)
2009: 157 PA (68.5%)
2010 (more full-time duty): 341 PA (67.4%)
2011 (full-time starter w/ Florida): 475 PA (74.2%)

It does seem like he benefited slightly, you are correct. From what I can tell, he has had a pretty even split for his career, but he did take advantage in 2008 and 2009. In his full season with Atlanta (semi-full), he actually hit better versus righties.

Look, we can agree to disagree on this, but we’re splitting hairs a bit. My projection is more along the lines of .290/.335/.390. You got similar numbers excluding two outlier seasons. The differences here are on the order of half a win tops. My point is that you should always look to include more data, provided the data is within a recent time frame (3 seasons is best), rather than exclude data. It has nothing to do with Infante, but rather with analyzing players in general. You simply cannot exclude seasons because you feel they “don’t fit.” They happened, and they’re still a part of how we predict a player’s performance.

Hopefully this conversation hasn’t turned you off of how the crew thinks around here. I welcome discussion and debate, it is excellent. But if anyone brings the numbers and cherry-picks them, we’ll call them out on it, because it is misleading analysis.

by Michael Jong on Nov 10, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Great fit

I’m super high on Infante. He has a great glove and makes the whole team better with his presence at second. Also, he could play ss, 3b, or of if ever need be. He is a great clubhouse presence because of his work ethic and doesnt show boat. He is a great fit for the lineup in the number 7 hole, and should hit .300 with a few homers next season. At 4million $, he is a steal.

by rideallnide on Nov 9, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Infante

Guy is a decent player and I am glad he’ll be back with us next season. I just do not want to see him hitting second. If we sign Reyes and Cespedes, I say the lineup should look like this:

Reyes SS
Bonifacio LF
Ramirez 3B
Stanton RF
Morrison 1B
Cespedes CF
Infante 2B
Buck C

by ek1124 on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 PM EST reply actions  

I would flip flop Infante & Buck. The Marlins really struggled last year with the #8 hitter got on base with less than 2 outs & it was time for the pitcher to bunt the runner over. Buck is too slow to be on the move & it showed last year. With Infante in the 8 hole, if he gets on, the pitcher can move him over no problem.

by Rick561 on Nov 9, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

good point

Buck would see better pitches in the 7 slot which would allow him to utilize his power. Infante would draw a lot of walks in the 8 slot, allowing him to be moved into scoring position easier, and easier to be scored by the top of the line up. However, when buck gets on it would be tough to get him around with infante and the pitcher behind him.
Wouldnt it be nice if the least of our worries is whether to bat 2 former all stars 7,8 or 8,7…

by rideallnide on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

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