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Marlins make Logan Morrison (mostly) "off limits"

The Marlins have been heavily represented in the rumor mills since the start of the free agent season, but it has not all been associated with signings. The Fish also have ties in the trade market, as the team is interested in picking up starting pitching and has a surplus in available first basemen. With Logan Morrison struggling in left field, the team has the ability to trade one of either Morrison or Gaby Sanchez for a pitching return, thus avoiding (or enhancing?) an expensive free agent signing.

But according to Jon Heyman, the Marlins are basically shutting the door on a Morrison trade -- almost.

l exec says #marlins told him @LoMoMarlins is off limits. exec opined fla would trade lomo for james shields but no 1 else
Nov 08 via webFavoriteRetweetReply

 

That is one tough stance that the Marlins would be taking regarding Morrison, especially with him coming off a sub-standard season. But it would seem that the Marlins value Morrison very highly, as well they should. Last season was a struggle, but he did still hit decently (.247/.330/.468, .344 wOBA) and his tools in terms of plate discipline and power potential are well known. What Joe Frisaro mentioned earlier may have been a tad on the superlative side:

Not surprising the #Marlins aren't shopping LoMo. Talked to a scout the other day who says LoMo may develop into a lefty-hitting Ryan Braun
Nov 08 via TweetDeckFavoriteRetweetReply

 

Morrison fits the profile of potentially prolific hitter who is just awful in the corner outfield like Braun, but of course Braun hit .324/.370/.634 when he was 23 years old and is not nearly as patient at the plate as Morrison so the comparison is more than jumping the gun. Nevertheless, Morrison is promising, and the Marlins have good reason to rush into a trade.

Then again, they did make it know that they are interested at least in Tampa Bay Rays starting pitcher James Shields, who would be a worthy acquisition. Would the Marlins benefit from a swap of the two players?

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I talked to Steve Slowinski, managing editor at DRaysBay, via Twitter earlier today regarding a possible Morrison / Shields swap. He mentioned the Rays would be reluctant to do a one-for-one trade, but that such a deal may actually be more likely to be favored for the Marlins based on the numbers. The numbers in the link show the likely surplus or trade value of these players, both in conservative and aggressive estimates of Wins Above Replacement. As you can see, even if you take an aggressive approach with Shields and a conservative development with Morrison, the Marlins are still providing a lot of surplus value to the Rays in return, on the order of $7 million in surplus value.

So why would the Rays not do it? Shields is coming off a strong season and the Rays want more than just one player in return, even if that player is a good young first baseman who was a top prospect just a few years ago (ranked #20 by Baseball America before the 2010 season). Why would the Marlins do it? They would be trading a potentially great hitter now, but they would be acquiring a strong starting pitcher on a cheap contract for three years. Shields is still highly affordable on his current team-friendly deal. And with Morrison in left field, the Marlins would be getting less value from Morrison than other teams would by playing him at first base.

Slowinski also opined that this was likely a negotiating tactic by the Fish to inflate the value of Morrison to other teams. There are other available starting pitchers via trade, and a young starter like Gio Gonzalez might still be worth a look in return for Morrison; perhaps the Marlins are just "creating demand" for an already good player. Then again, a Morrison / Shields trade makes so much sense for both teams; both are trading players from surplus and acquiring players in areas of need. The deal is logical that it may be a recognition by the Marlins that this is the situation they want most. If so, I speculated that the teams could get a deal hammered down by December, and it would not surprise me if this happened.

What say you, fellow Fish Stripers? Do you approve of this "off limits" approach, and do you think the Marlins can make a deal for Shields? Would you be in favor of a deal?

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I don't really know.

I’m kind of torn. I think LoMo is a better long term option than Gaby, so I think they’d be better off trading Gaby. I realize there probably isn’t as much interest in Gaby than LoMo from other teams, though.

I’d hope they’d try to get starting pitching through other means first, but if they’ve made a few moves and still haven’t been to do anything to address pitching, then I’d be ok with it.

by kjt1027 on Nov 8, 2011 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

I'm kinda reluctant on giving up LoMo...

Mainly because I think our lineup would benefit from a strong left handed hitter. Left handed bats are a pretty good commodity for a team that doesn’t have many. That being said, if we somehow land Prince Fielder, I could swallow it a little easier.

On the other hand, our starting pitching is really hurting, so I guess it’ll come down to how bad we want it fixed. A dominant rotation can make a dominant team. Just ask the Braves from the 90’s. Kind of daunting when they trotted a Cy Young award winner out almost every night.

Miami Marlins? Don't know if I'm ready. Seems like saying goodbye to an old friend.

by marlinsfan315 on Nov 8, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Don't like it.

I understand the thought that you can never have enough pitching, and there is of course reason to think Hanley will bounce back, but the bottom line is that this isn’t a good offensive team right now. Meanwhile, even with just nine JJ starts, the rotation was actually pretty alright in every way except, you know, actual innings. So why exactly are we in a hurry to trade our third-best bat, especially when he’s making the MLB equivalent of zero dollars?

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by dan 2.0 on Nov 8, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

keep lomo unless we get a stud am in return

LoMo is very valuable, and he should not be traded unless we get a great (top 30) pitcher such as shields or gonzalez in return. We need that lefty bat in the middle of the lineup. I would much rather see the marlins trade Gabby and some prospects to get one of those guys though.

by rideallnide on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

I'm all for trading for a SP

but shields doesn’t seem the smartest choice…he had a great year, but talk about buying high (basically the prototypical Rays trade)…Gonzalez doesn’t really fall into that mold because of his age.
And Lomo would be selling low. Gaby on the other hand doesn’t project to improve much, but had a better year than Lomo making him the ideal one of the 2 to trade….but other teams probably feel the same way I do.

For whatever reason I’ve always thought Michael Young a good comparison for Lomo.
If we trade Lomo it better be for Gonzalez or a comparable pitcher

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by bronzeagle on Nov 8, 2011 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Don't like it

Hypothetically if we get Reyes, we would no longer need Matt Dominguez right? Ship him and Gaby and possibly another top prospect (Ozuna, Yelich) for a pitcher like Gonzalez. Move Lomo to first and it’s all good. Only situation I would trade Lomo is if we get Pujols/Fielder and you package him in with Gaby and go after Shields

by mannydelrio on Nov 8, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

Gaby + Lomo

would be a major over pay for Gonzalez.
I really like the Gaby + Dominguez for gonzalez idea, maybe add in a lesser prospect if need be….maybe cousins

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by bronzeagle on Nov 8, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea it would be stretch, it might work for Shields, but I don’t know why they would want Dominguez. Maybe Wandy if he becomes available

by mannydelrio on Nov 8, 2011 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Only way I'm trading Lomo

Is for young pitching. Gio would be perfect. No way do I do it for Shields.

by CTowers on Nov 8, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

...

Trading a CC young player like him for a guy already making big bucks is an easy way to torpedo payroll flexibility in the coming years. Even with the expansion of payroll, flexibility is huge.

by CTowers on Nov 8, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

But Shields isn't making big bucks

$7M – $9M – $11M is underpaying him as well. It’s not cost-controlled money, but it’s cheap for his production.

by Michael Jong on Nov 8, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

But

It’s taking on $6.5-$8.5-$9 million per year in added salary. The question becomes how much Shields will be worth over Lomo in that time. The problem is, we don’t really know what to expect from either one of them.

by CTowers on Nov 8, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

he's definitely worth 9 mill/yr

-200+ IPs past 5 seasons.
-4 of 5 of those seasons with ERA under 4.20.
-NL east is not what the AL east is.
JJ-shields-anibal-ricky ain’t bad. and now we only need 1 of hand, sanabia, west, volstad to be decent

though you have to question about shields
A) was last year a career year & how much of a letdown even if moving to NL east?
B) will he show wear-and-tear after 249 IP season?

by byoung on Nov 9, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I really like Sanabia

Just hope he can stay healthy

by RaysOfHope on Nov 9, 2011 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not about whether he's worth 9 mil/yr...

It’s about whether he’s worth 9 mil/yr +Lomo + the very favorable conditions under which Lomo is under team control.

by CTowers on Nov 9, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Where do I sign? This trade would be great...

..for the Rays. Its not like Shields is awful or anything but Rays would be getting the better longterm value.

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by Warde on Nov 9, 2011 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

Yup I agree

Rays would get 5 years of LoMo in his prime

by RaysOfHope on Nov 9, 2011 12:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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