Fish Stripes All-Time Florida Marlins Team: Second Base
Last week, the readership induced Derrek Lee as the Fish Stripes All-Time Florida Marlins Team first baseman. It was a great choice and I trust the readership will make some interesting choices this week as well. Today, we introduce the names up for election for second base for the All-Time Florida Marlins team.
In this case, we will do things a bit differently. In the past two positions, a number of players have logged plate appearances and votes for the Marlins. However, in the case of second base, only two players really stand out with significant playing time at second base for the team. Outside of these two players, the remaining eight players who have logged at least half of their time at second for the Marlins have totaled only 3223 PA combined, which is less than either of the two big second basemen of the team's history. So with all due respect to the likes of Bret Barberie, Craig Counsell, Quilvio Veras, and Omar Infante, there are really only two names that Marlins fans want to vote for in this running.
| Player |
|---|
| Luis Castillo |
| Dan Uggla |
| Player | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | fWAR | rWAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Castillo | 4966 | .293 | .370 | .356 | 23.7 | 20.1 |
Luis Castillo is known in Marlins fanhood for his long stint with the Fish; he is the longest tenured Marlin in franchise history, having recorded almost 5000 PA with the Fish. Castillo had more than 900 PA more than the next closest Fish. He spent parts of 1996 through 1998 with the big-league club before finally becoming a full-time player in 1999, and he remained a full-time starter until his final season in 2005.
But let it be known that while Castillo's first edge is in how long he remained a Marlin, it certainly was not his last edge. His career .293/.370/.356 line with the Fish was nothing to scoff at; despite having only hit 20 home runs with the Marlins, Castillo still managed to be a perfectly average offensive player for the team, recording a 100 wRC+ for his career and pulling off six seasons of above-average offensive performance by wRC+ in the seven years he spent as the team's full-time starter.
What Castillo was perhaps best known for was his speed, as he stole 281 bases in his Marlins career. However, Castillo was surprisingly not a great baserunner even in his Marlins heyday. He was successful in only 71 percent of his steal attempts, and he only managed to be 12 runs above average on the bases (including steals and extra bases taken) throughout his Marlins career. To put that in persepctive, Michael Bourn has been 31 runs better than average on the bases since he began his career, and he has hit in just a bit more than half the number of PA Castillo acquired in his Marlins career.
Where Castillo was best on offense was at the plate with his supreme discipline. Castillo struck out in only 12.7 percent of plate appearances with the Marlins. He combined that supreme contact skill with an equally impressive eye, as he drew walks in 10.7 percent of plate appearances. In truth, it was well known that Castillo was simply extremely patient and did not swing until it was absolutely necessary, but his contact capability allowed for himt o play a highly patient approach and still avoid strikeouts.
Of course, no one can discuss Castillo without a mention of his defense. The second baseman won three straight Gold Gloves at second base from 2003 to 2005, and according to the defensive metrics, he was deserving of the awards. TotalZone rated him as 42 runs better than average during that time, while UZR had him at 30 runs above average.
Castillo's Marlins resume is jam-packed. He earned three deserving Gold Gloves. He was a prototypical leadoff man in terms of contact, discipline, and speed. He owns the aspect of longevity with the Marlins. And to top it all off, he owns a World Series ring for being the starter in 2003.
Dan Uggla
| Player | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | fWAR | rWAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Uggla | 3372 | .263 | .349 | .488 | 19.4 | 15.2 |
In many ways, Dan Uggla was the antithesis of Luis Castillo. Castillo was flashy with the glove, while Uggla was at best mediocre on defense. Castillo was adept at contact, while Uggla struck out at a very high rate at the start of his career, though that began to fall as the years passed. Castillo was popless at the plate, while Uggla had more than his share of power. That makes comparing the two in terms of value especially interesting.
Uggla's career with the Marlins was contentious in that there was always a subset of fans that disliked him. Sure, it was fun to yell "HIS NAME IS DAN UGGLA" with Rich Waltz and Tommy Hutton, but a lot of fans simply did not appreciate his style of gameplay. It had the home runs, but because of the high strikeout rate (22.5 percent career as a Marlin), fans despised him and his low batting average. The truth is that with Uggla's walk rate (10.8 percent career as a Marlin), even his low batting average seasons never ended up hurting him. He never posted an OBP below .326 in his Marlins career, and his power more than aided in his career 117 wRC+ as a Fish.
If Uggla had a calling card though, it certainly would not be his walks. No, Uggla was known for his bombs, as evidenced by the fact that he remains the career Marlins home run leader, having surpassed Mike Lowell in his final season as a Fish in 2010. Uggla's 154 homers in 3372 PA ranks second among Fish with at least home runs in terms of rate as well; his rate of 27.4 home runs per 600 PA is behind only Gary Sheffield and his 31 home runs per 600 PA in rate of frequency. Looking at the current list of players with over 100 homers for the team, only Hanley Ramirez figures to move past Uggla in the near future, with Ramirez at 134 home runs and likely to hit at least 20 in a healthy 2011.
Of course, Uggla's faults were always on the field, as he was a notoriously poor second baseman. TotalZone had Uggla rated at 36 runs below average in his time as a Marlin, while UZR had him at 22 runs below average. Put that in perspective when compared to Castillo: in just three seasons, Castillo was a staggering 78 runs above average compared to Uggla's career totals. That difference is almost worth eight wins. Of course, in Castillo's total time as a Fish, he was a good seven wins according to TotalZone better than Uggla.
Uggla had him beat significantly at the plate, however, such that the overall picture is very comparable. In both measures of Wins Above Replacement, Uggla averaged more wins per 600 PA than Castillo did. However, if you compared both players' appropriately aged years (ages 26 to 30, with Castillo including a season in Minnesota), both come out very similarly in terms of WAR.
| Player, Ages 26-30 | fWAR | rWAR |
|---|---|---|
| Castillo | 18.2 | 15.4 |
| Uggla | 19.4 | 15.2 |
As polar opposites as these guys may have been, their value was surprisingly similar. So who do you vote for in this case? Does Castillo's longevity with the team help him, or does his poor play in limited time drag his value down a little? Does Uggla's standing as current home run king help? How about Castillo's ring? Cast your votes and we'll unveil the winner this Friday!
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by Michael Jong on Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely Castillo. He was there for both of the World Series, and was signed into the Marlins organization in 1992! The only other player in the organization for the inaugural season and both world series wins was Jeff Conine, and unlike Niner, Castillo didn’t leave between the events.
Well, he didn't play in the majors for the inaugural season
But I definitely see your point.
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by Michael Jong on Nov 22, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Went with castillo
I look at it this way – Uggla was a good player on average teams. Castillo was a good player on two world series teams. It doesn’t hurt that he was with us longer too.
That is solid reasoning
I figured that the WS wins might have helped, but then again that is giving Castillo credit for what his teammates did too. Admittedly, his length of time was really going to help.
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by Michael Jong on Nov 22, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Castillo also had a good hitting streak...
35 games in 2002. Tied for most all time by a second baseman if I’m not mistaken.
Marlins in the off-season. Get some... Free agents, that is.
by marlinsfan315 on Nov 22, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Too bad Castillo was awful for the Mets.
Do miss him for some strange reason… Something about how much of a fail he was for the Mets, it is almost unbelievable that he used to be a really good baseball player. Plus i like saying “His name is Dan Uggla”, but i’m not going to vote because there is too much bias with my pick.
Yogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
Didn't Dan Uggla make some nasty comments about the new Marlins uniforms when they came out?
I don’t blame him for being bitter towards the Marlins for trading Cody Ross, but saying bad things about your former team won’t exactly endear you in the memory of your former fans.
And at any rate, the man is a freaking Atlanta Braves player now, so the only memories of Dan Uggla I want to have in the new Miami Marlins Ballpark is the look of disappointment on his face as the Marlins destroy the Braves.
by Miami Marlins 2012 on Nov 22, 2011 8:47 PM EST reply actions
He made nasty remarks about our new uniforms? That's it then, Uggla gets my vote.
I voted for Castillo but bonus points in my book for Uggla knocking our Uggly new unis.
NY Jets = NFL's Chicago Cubs
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Nov 23, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Haha!
By the way, everyone should watch Catching Hell, excellent documentary. I’ll be reviewing it soon on one of the emptier news days.
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by Michael Jong on Nov 23, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions




















