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There has been a lot of activity in recent weeks with regards to the Marlins, so there is a lot of news and links to discuss. Let's take a look at a few of the Marlins links that we have seen so far this week.

- Yesterday we found out what the Marlins' offer was for Jose Reyes and discussed its ramifications. Today we found out from Yahoo's Tim Brown that the Marlins offered a nine-year deal to free agent first baseman Albert Pujols. Also, apparently the Marlins went hard after Pujols according to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick. No dollar values have yet been heard, which is fine at the moment. No one expects Pujols to sign immediately anwyay, but we are all waiting eagerly, even those of us who think a Malrins Pujols signing would be unlikely.

- I'm not usually someone who makes fun of Bleacher Report (outside of Twitter), but this author who writes that the Marlins signing Pujols would be "the worst thing for MLB" is just begging for it. I mean, come on, look at this:

This is a team that needs to be contracted. This team has done more to hurt the sport of baseball than any team in any sport ever has.

Baseball is doing just fine with the Marlins around. I'm not sure I follow.

But now, after another several years of doing everything possible to avoid spending money, the Marlins actually have the nerve to offer one of the best players in the history of the game a contract?

His anger comes from the fact that the team held fire sales on both championship teams from 1997 and 2003. Of course, not being a Marlins, he had no idea that the Marlins held onto almost all of their players from the 2003 team, save for Derrek Lee (who was traded in a legitimate deal) and Ivan Rodriguez (who chose to sign elsewhere) for two more seasons before the sale in 2006. And of course, he seems to blame the team for "buying" the 1997 championship even though the Marlins only acquired two players (Bobby Bonilla and Moises Alou) prior to the 1997 season.

More misguided anger about the Marlins because fans of other teams have never watched them. Sigh.

- Speaking of Marlins haters, Yahoo's Jeff Passan is at it again, saying the Marlins haven't changed despite their new colors. His pessimism (HATE HATE HATE) is understandable, I get it. But at the same time, you get the feeling from his previous work that there is nothing Jeffrey Loria and ownership can do that would change his mind, which seems extremely close-minded of him.

Star-divide

- In complete opposition to the tone Passan takes, this Forbes piece by Mike Ozanian praises Loria for doing good business and getting the stadium he worked to get from the city of Miami after all these years. I wouldn't necessarily claim that this was a good thing for every party involved, but rather an achievement for Loria and Loria alone. In addition, it remains to be seen whether all of these moves will even get Marlins fans to actual watch baseball games.

- The Marlins logo and the Maroon 5 logo are very similar. In other news, no one cares.

- Speaking of new uniform and logo designs, SCWS has his long-winded but very objective take on the new uniforms on Marlins Daily. Uni Watch also had their own take. If those two like it, then who am I to complain? Don't forget, read Fish Stripes's own Ted Hill's take on the jerseys as well.

- You want to know why Hanley Ramirez struggled in 2011? Part of it may have been that he stopped having funbecause he was trying to be a "team leader" and "face of the franchise." That just goes to show you that chemistry and morale cuts both ways; forcing a role onto a player who doesn't want it and a situation that doesn't need it can negatively affect players too. Of course, it could have been the other way around; he played poorly and thus stopped having fun. Who knows?

- A couple of players were missing in the big uniform unveiling, and one of those players was non-tender candidate Chris VolstadHe wasn't happy about it. Dave Hill of Marlins Diehards has an appropriate response.

- I did a two-part Q&A with The Nats Blog's Ted Youngling, and the first part of the Q&A can be found here. There, I talk primarily about how I got into the business of blogging. Part Two will be coming tomorrow, during which I will discuss actual baseball.

Marlin Maniac debuted three (!) new authors this past week on their site, and one of them is a friend of the (former) Maniac, Cory Eucalitto. Check out CoryWill Privette, and Will Stanifer in their opening posts! By the way, shout outs to MM Editor Ehsan Kassim for a spiffy new link dump name, Marlins Way. I like it!

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Passan will change his tune...

when the Marlins sign a name free agent. Loria and company have said when they have a stadium they’ll increase payroll and be a player on the free agent market, and I don’t see anything happening to make me think they won’t live up to those statements.

Now, if the Marlins do sign Reyes, or whomever, and Passan comes out with a negative spin on it, then I’ll have to reconsider that he may have a bias against our team.

by cgul629 on Nov 16, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

I can see his point of view.

It’s pretty easy to see Loria as a creep given the headlines Loria’s racked up. Ridiculous expectations with basement level payroll, unfairly firing / demoting personnel for personal grievances, making money hand over fist while claiming that you cannot afford to build a stadium, having a payroll so low that the MLBPA files a formal complaint.

All this free agent speculation is exciting…. but I would not THAT be surprised to see that this was all a rouse and “business as usual” comes with opening day 2012. I consider it to be one of the three major outcomes of the offseason:

A. The Marlins actually sign some quality free agents, and a new era begins in Miami.
B. The Marlins get laughed at in the face by quality free agents, and overspend on “Werth/Drew/Bay” type players, and calamity ensues.
C. The Marlins make disingenuous offers to quality free agents, shrug their shoulders, and continue to be profitable if not seemingly competitive.

by Jigokusabre on Nov 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

All valid points

And I am in no way a Loria supporter. You point out many of his uglier transgressions, and based on that I can understand Passan’s skepticism about the Marlins efforts this off season.

The point I was trying to make is that I don’t believe Passan isn’t anti-Marlins, so much as he is saying, based on the Marlins track record, he’ll beilieve they have changed when he sees it.

I’m optimistic, but like you, wouldn’t be shocked to see this go the way of your B or C categories

by cgul629 on Nov 16, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Cynical?

Maybe I’m being cynical, but my fear is that Loria is pulling a Huizenga and intends to beef up the prospects of a sale of the team in a year or two, or go through another firesale. Maybe it’s just a pavlovian response on my part due to this having happened so many times to past Marlins teams. Also, Loria’s conduct in recent years hasn’t warmed me to the guy either, and I feel that he has lots of ground to gain before having anything close to a favorable view and the trust of his audience.

That being said, I will definitely be excited if our team gets stacked in this manner, and some of these guys (Passan) are hating more than making sense.

by Mr. Bananas on Nov 16, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

1. You don’t set yourself up for a fire sale, it would be a terrible business move. Fire sales are not profitable, you do not get what your product is worth in that case.
2. Loria could be trying to set up a sale of the team, but is that necessarily a bad thing? There is a bit of cognitive dissonance going on if you say you don’t trust Loria but also worry about him selling the team.

MarlinsDiehards.com

by dave6834 on Nov 16, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Didn’t the city lock him into a deal for a period of time in which he couldn’t sell the team as part of receiving stadium funding?

by Michael Jong on Nov 16, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point, I do not remember.

MarlinsDiehards.com

by dave6834 on Nov 16, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think 30 years is the amount of time in which the team cannot move. I can’t imagine someone would be forced to own something, especially, a sports franchise, for 30 years.

by tedhill on Nov 17, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

It’s something like if he sells the team within 7 years, he has to give some percentage of the sale to the city, and I think the percentage deescalates every year until 7?

by CTowers on Nov 17, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

With the Dolphins doing so bad & not selling out games for the first time in a LONG time & the Miami Heat probably not having a season, this is a big opportunity for the Marlins to make a splash with South Florida.

Dolphins games look like Marlins games with the stadium half filled at best. The Marlins saw how the Heat signed big names & that stadium was packed every single day & were the talk of the town everywhere you looked.

The cards are falling very favorably for the Marlins & if they grab it by the horns and take advantage they can have their ballpark filled for a long time.

by Rick561 on Nov 16, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

Also, the Heat were not only the talk of the town, they were the talk of every sports radio show & tv show across the nation. If the Marlins can make an impact like that it would definitely ruffle some feathers after being so frugal for such a long time & I can see them getting a lot of attention from every direction.

by Rick561 on Nov 16, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I know the blogosphere is one big happy family but...

do we really have to pretend Bleacher Report is a real thing? I know, I know, they get an absurd amount of traffic, but seriously, we may as well discuss opinions written on bathroom walls.

Marlins Stadium: When It's Raining, The Roof Will Happen!

by dan 2.0 on Nov 16, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

I know

But I always like to point out the most absurd of Bleacher Report pieces just for funsies.

by Michael Jong on Nov 16, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Bleacher Report has received tens of millions of dollars in venture capital funding and has a nice stable of “name” bloggers on their masthead. So yes, they are a real thing.

That does not mean we have to take any of their unpaid contributors seriously, though.

MarlinsDiehards.com

by dave6834 on Nov 16, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Judging from the comments people posted, the readers know this guy is a dope.

by Jigokusabre on Nov 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Judging from the comments people posted, the readers know this guy is a dope.

by Jigokusabre on Nov 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

There is so much hate out there for the Marlins

That’s ok…maybe they’ll rethink their ways when we win our third World Series.

by Miami Marlins 2012 on Nov 16, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I don't quite understand all the intense hate for the Marlins.

I’m not a huge fan of ownership either, but they said if they got a new ballpark they’d be active in the free agent market. Why hate them for keeping a promise for a change. Seems like a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

by JoeA. on Nov 17, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a huge moment in the history and future of this franchise

I live in Philly,I remember when the phillies were moving into their new stadium, they went out and signed Jim thome, who at the time was a big deal. It seemed to turn the whole franchise around, the phillies were looked at as a cheap franchise and where nobody wanted to play like Scott rolen up until that moment. They should go all in on pujols, I feel for some reason that , yes they genuinely want him and gave him a substantial offer but they should have went above the cards offer, It seems like they have a unique opportunity here to make history and possibly change the future of this franchise and transform it and they’re offering just slightly too little to pujols, I know it’s a lot of money period and more than they have ever offered before but they should go all in and not lose pujols to the cards because they chose to offer 190 million instead of 225 million, if they feel he has any urge to come here to Miami, they should go all in.

"Dolphins Fan....waiting for a win up here alone....and I think it's gonna be a long, long time." - Elton John

by sonnycrockett on Nov 17, 2011 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

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