Roster Moves
by Eric Sachs on Apr 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT
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PrintThe Marlins signing of Nate Robertson early on has looked to be a very nice addition to the teams rotation. But the Marlins still have a lot of work to do in the bullpen, and besides Burke Badenhop and Leo Nunez who has been lights out, the Marlins bullpen has struggled. With Mike Stanton completely tearing it up in the Minor Leagues right now he really puts a lot of pressure on the Marlins to call him up to the big leagues. If the Marlins make this move and call up Stanton they can then make several moves to help benefit there team even more. The easiest option, and the option that has them parting with the least amount of talent is simply calling up Stanton and moving Ross for an average bullpen pitcher. The other option, which would free up the Marlins from a decent sized contract, is to call up Stanton and move Chris Coghlan into his original infield position of second base and move Dan Uggla while he is hot and has decent value. Uggla, who has been on a tare to start the 2010 season is a guy who is going to give a team 30+ HR and bat .250 a year and with his average defense would not be to much of a loss especially considering a guy like Stanton can hit 20+ HR a year, if not more. The Marlins could possibly get a strong set up man for the bullpen or a young prospect or two. Either way there are two things the Marlins have to be trying to deal with right now and that is where can Mike Stanton fit in and what are they going to do about there bullpen? For now we will have to sit back and just wait and watch what happens.
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Morrison is more likely to come up than Stanton
But it’s just too early to really discuss this. 11-11 is far from a panic mode record, particularly when we’re 4-2 in the division thus far, so I doubt we’ll see any signing or call-ups that aren’t pitching related until the time of trade deadline.
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Can't wait for JJ or Nolly to win NL Cy Young 2010!
I agree that it is still very early in the season but it is easy to see that the bullpen is going to continue to struggle just like it has in the past. And Dan Uggla has gone through these hot streaks before and then fallen of and still ended with around a .250 average. It is never to early in the season to try to improve your team. There is also no question that Logan Morrison is going to be a great baseball player and that he will get his chance, but the fact of the matter is that Stanton is taring the minors up and it makes little sense to keep him down there with the team at .500 and looking to improve there pitching. The Marlins have been known for finding the pitching prospects that are able to develop into big league players and I think with as many good bats as the Marlins have they can part with a player like Uggla or Ross to get themselves a quality pitcher or two.
Eric Sachs
Bulls Radio 88.5 HD2 Tampa
I agree that it is still very early in the season but it is easy to see that the bullpen is going to continue to struggle just like it has in the past. And Dan Uggla has gone through these hot streaks before and then fallen of and still ended with around a .250 average. It is never to early in the season to try to improve your team. There is also no question that Logan Morrison is going to be a great baseball player and that he will get his chance, but the fact of the matter is that Stanton is taring the minors up and it makes little sense to keep him down there with the team at .500 and looking to improve there pitching. The Marlins have been known for finding the pitching prospects that are able to develop into big league players and I think with as many good bats as the Marlins have they can part with a player like Uggla or Ross to get themselves a quality pitcher or two.
Eric Sachs
Bulls Radio 88.5 HD2 Tampa
There is definitely sense to keeping Stanton down in the minors
A lot of sense actually. He’s still making nowhere near enough contact to be called up to the majors. When a guy is striking out over 30% of the time in AA and you call him up it’s a good bet he will be striking out in 40-50% range against major league pitching. When Jason Heyward put up his monster year in AA last year he was only striking out at a 11% rate… and now that he’s in the majors it’s up to 37%. Unless Stanton can get his K rate under 20% sometime soon I don’t see him getting called up any time soon this year.
But the awesome thing about him is that he’s still only a 20 year old so he has plenty of time to work out his problems. Rushing him is definitely a horrible move, if we let this guy develop fully he could end up being Ryan Howard with a better average, and actually a pretty good piece defensively.
All about production
There is no question that Stanton has contact issues but he is not expected to be a contact hitter. When he is called up to the Marlins he is gonna be expected to hit 20-30 HR with 100+ RBI. There have been many hitters to succeed in the MLB just because they can hit the long ball, Adam Dunn and even Dan Uggla to name a few. If Stanton can come up and hit even 20 HR and bat around .250 then I think the Marlins would be okay parting with Uggla’s $8 million contract, especially if they can get some much needed pitching help. Not to mention there Uggla is an average second basemen at best from a defensive stand point.
Eric Sachs
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Power numbers are nice...
But lest we forget the tale of Mike Jacobs…
Chris Coghlan is NLRoY 2009 (that's a +1 for me!)
Can't wait for JJ or Nolly to win NL Cy Young 2010!
Your are correct Mike Jacobs did have power. However, he can barely get 20 HR in a season and he also hit only .225 last year. I don’t know if Mike Jacobs and Mike Stanton have been compared ever. I am pretty sure Mike Jacobs was never a top MLB prospect either. The fact of the matter is that Stanton is proving his worth in the minors and thats all he can do. Now it is up to the Marlins as to what to do with him.
Eric Sachs
Bulls Radio 88.5 HD2 Tampa
I'm pointing more to the fact that Jacobs also had a problem with strikeouts
When AA pitching is getting you to strikeout as much as walk, you just don’t have the plate discipline thing down quite yet. Rushing a player like that to the majors could have bad consequences, and if you’re building for the future (which the Fish are, because unless we hit a miracle, we aren’t going anywhere besides a small chance at the Wild Card) you don’t want to harm your prospects.
Chris Coghlan is NLRoY 2009 (that's a +1 for me!)
Can't wait for JJ or Nolly to win NL Cy Young 2010!
unfortunately i think that Cody and Uggs will gonna be in different uniforms before the season ends...
and Stanton and Morisson are gonna be up with the team
I'm actually not too sure of that anymore...
I think we’ll trade one of the two at the deadline for prospects or pitching, but not both.
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If it makes you feel better
if you trade Uggla to the Giants, we will probably overpay
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Giants Trade
Dan Uggla for Brian Wilson (when healthy) is a beneficial trade for the marlins for sure!!
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Heh. Sabean might do that.
It really depends on how Dan Runzler, Sergio Romo & Jeremy Affeldt pitch. Honestly though, I could see Adrianza for Uggla happening at the deadline.
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by Gobroks on May 2, 2010 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*I should add
That I’d be against that trade from a giants view…also we’ll see you guys on Tuesday.
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by Gobroks on May 3, 2010 2:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Better for Fish
If the Giants and Marlins are both still in the race around the trade deadline we very easily could see both these teams benefiting from this trade. And I dont know why it would not happen if not Uggla for Wilson then Uggla for a pair of prospects.
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Yeah, the last I heard
was that the Giants declined Uggla for SS prospect Ehire Adrianza, straight up.
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pretty sure a trade with thte giants is unlikely at best
pretty sure the giants got uribe & freddy sanchez in the off season. also believe uggla publicly said he doesnt want to play any othere position than third.
why would the giants trade wilson if theyre winning?
Yeah, I doubt they trade Wilson
though they could use another middle infielder. Sanchez has yet to take the field and Uribe was signed to be a utility guy. Plus Sanchez has played 3rd base before so Uggla could be the Giants 2nd baseman.
I think it’s unlikely that the Giants make a play for Uggla but the rumors have been going on for so long that it may be possible.
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I wish the Uggla for Sanchez trade would've went through
I have a soft spot for strike out pitchers like him. And also Nate Robertson, wouldn’t have to be a part of the 2010 Marlins’ rotation, which would be nice.
eh ross & uggla accounted for 22% of teams total Ks
team would be unloading either 150 Ks (uggla) or 120 Ks (ross) from last year & both are very streaky hitters. the fish probably could get some value back from an uggla trade, not to mention the assumed upgrade at 2nd defensively. ross would probably get the fish a solid reliever.
seems like ross & uggla’s trade value are about as high as ever so why not trade them if we know were not going to sign them??
Uggla more likely
I was at the game tonight and besides the fact that the Marlins could not get the key hit to put them ahead… especially in the 7th when Nyger Morgan made a great defensive catch to save the game for the Nats…I noticed they were very thin at the outfield position. They have 3 utility infielders in Helms, Lamb, and Barden and only only one extra outfielder in Brett Carroll. The Marlins need to get another outfielder into there roster, especially with Cameron Maybin and Chris Coughlan both struggling (except coughlan is starting to come out of his slump). This makes even more sense for the Marlins to move Dan Uggla because they are in such need of a good hitting outfielder with the Marlins outfield struggling offensively.
Eric Sachs
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