Marlins sign Anibal Sanchez and Renyel Pinto one-year deals
by craig on Jan 18, 2010 6:36 PM EST
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The Florida Marlins just announced they reached an agreement with Anibal Sanchez and Renyel Pinto thus avoiding arbitration. So far the contract amounts have not been released. More to come later.
That leaves Jorge Cantu, Cody Ross and Leo Nunez still unsigned.
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Cantu, Ross, Nunez...
…do we really need any of those guys? Cantu is a first baseman who hits like a third baseman, Nunez was our worst reliever not named Lindstrom last year… well, I guess there were worse guys who didn’t make it through the season. But still.
Ross is a decent fourth outfielder, I guess. He can play center, which almost makes up for his near-total lack of plate discipline. (Doubly important considering that Maybin is still a question mark.) Yeah, might as well keep Ross. The other two are only slightly above replacement level — I wouldn’t mind seeing them back, but it doesn’t make sense to pay them too much.
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I think you're being too harsh
Cantu’s pretty much an average player at both 1B and 3B, nothing special but still he has value. And Ross has good fielding skills plus his ability to hit for power makes him a good hitter even with his lack of discipline. Overall an above average package and makes for a pretty good starter in the OF. A lot of teams would love to have Cody starting.
Cantu has been clutch though
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"Average player"?
25 first basemen had 500+ plate appearances last year. Cantu’s .788 OPS was good for… 22nd, ahead of only James Loney, Daniel Murphy and Aubrey Huff.
An average hitting 1B? Try Justin Morneau, whose .878 OPS made him good for 15th among all first basemen. The difference between league-average Morneau and Cantu is like the difference between Cantu and Cristian Guzman. 1B is tough out there these days… there are a lot of guys out there who just hit the cover off the ball. .788 is a decent OPS for a second baseman, but you try to trot that out there at first, it’s like sending out Bonifacio… you’re losing production.
Or maybe you’re judging him as a 3B? Fair enough — Cantu can’t field third, but it’s not like we have a guy who can field third AND hit. (Well, Hanley probably could manage it, but he’s already the shortstop.) Only 19 third basemen had 500+ PAs… add Cantu in there, and he ends up 12th out of 20, between Chone Figgins and Adam Kennedy. (Though Figgins’ base-stealing and high OBP make him significantly more valuable than his OPS.)
So there you have it — terrible hitter + average fielder or average hitter + terrible fielder. Any way you slice it, the overall picture is markedly below average. And it’s not like he had an off-year either… he’s never been better than an .800 OPS guy. We may bring him back because we already have him and don’t want to go fishing around for FAs, but unless he learns to field at third, he’d better not be part of any long-term plans.
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As for Ross...
…he’s valuable if he’s a CF. His .790 OPS was good for 8th of 22 among CFs. (Though it’s worth noting that OPS overvalues him slightly — OBP is more valuable than SLG. Also, there’s basically 15 or so CFs whose hitting performance last year was more or less interchangeable, and he’s one of them.)
He’d be 12th of 16 as a LF, though, and 16th of 20 as a RF. I mean, he’s not a liability. And we have to play SOMEONE at those positions.
Corner outfielders are almost like first basemen: it’s not enough to be a decent hitter, because most other teams have good hitters at those positions. If you’re not a plus out there, you’re a minus. And let’s assume Maybin finally takes the starting CF job… if and when that happens, Ross immediately becomes more valuable to any of the 10 or so teams who don’t have a CF than to us. Playing him in a corner position is wasting him.
He’s better than Cantu, though, I’’ll give him that. We don’t need him, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him hang around a year or two until Stanton is ready.
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Ross is valuable
Likely a plus defender in the corners and an above average major league hitter. The projections have him at 2.5 wins worth, so I’d say he’s worth keeping. Plus, the team has no better options and Ross would come pretty cheap ($4M most likely).
Cantu I would agree with, but at this point the team has no major alternatives. If it doesn’t consider Coghlan a third baseman, then we’d be left with Bonifacio or Sanchez (with Morrison taking full-time first, which he may or may not be ready to do). Even though Cantu isn’t very good (below average player overall, whether at first or third), he still has value and is likely better than our alternatives.
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Fair enough...
…I suppose the 20th-best starter in baseball is still a starter, and probably still better than all but one or two of the backups. And given the fact that Morrison’s coming along, it’s all a temporary measure anyway.
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RE: Cantu
He’s still an above average major leaguer with the bat. Once you finish adding positional adjustments for scarcity of position, he’s a below average major leaguer, so it’s not as if he’s terrible. Just not really worth $5M to the team, but unfortunately the club has very few options.
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Cantu..
Has been key offensively, he deserves to be signed.
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by Han The Man And The Band on Jan 18, 2010 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Cantu's struggles last year were all the Marlins fault, yet again mishandling injury.
They never let his wrist heal, like Uggla’s knee the year before.
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by BacksThePack on Jan 19, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
And what about his virtually identical stats in '08?
And… in most of his seasons, really? Is he always injured, or is that just his talent level?
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Awful numbers there, but not far from expected.
Nunez for $2M in particular is terrible. Cantu for $6M is not terrible, just overpriced for the team.
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Nunez for $2 million is ridiculous.
I mean, I’d say Pinto for $1 million is a little ridiculous — I like Pinto, but he’s a basically interchangeable middle reliever. But it’s clear Pinto had a better season than Nunez, and is most likely a better pitcher. So what’s with Nunez getting twice as much?
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Yeap. He's a closer with a capital C, that's worth something right? Right?
Awful.
For Nunez v. Pinto, I’d go with neither. Pinto has some weird mojo going on with his batted balls, he just can’t put the ball in the strike zone most of the time. And Nunez should regress to a normal home run level. He’s actually not that bad, but he really isn’t that good either. They’re all interchangeable parts.
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