Marlins sign Dan Uggla to $7.8 million deal
by craig on Jan 18, 2010 5:11 PM EST
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The Marlins avoided arbitration with Dan Uggla this year.
Great news for all you Dan Uggla fans — he reached an agreement with the Marlins on a one-year, $7.8 million contract. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be hitting home runs for the Marlins in 2010.
Expect the Marlins to continue shopping their slugging second baseman. But if they don’t find the right deal — they won’t just give the guy away — do expect him to be in the starting lineup on opening day.
That makes Danny the highest paid Marlins player going into next season. Which was to be expected since you can't back end load a one-year contract. I fully expect that Uggla will be with the Marlins for most of season and that he won't be traded before the non-waiver trade deadline, when clubs in contention are more willing to part with better pieces. Should the Marlins be in contention at the trade deadline, he will probably finish the season with the Fish. And the front office will try to trade him again in the offseason.
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Well, this is good.
Uggla is a very valuable player — he had some bad luck this year on balls in play, so his value probably isn’t quite as high as it should be right now, but it’s great to see him back one more year.
Slightly less great: I’m betting Coghlan stays in the outfield now. (Unless we move him to third… does Coghlan have any experience at third?) What a waste.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
anyone get the feeling none of these signings would have happened if the MLB didnt say anything?
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They tell them to spend more money.
And the wallet flys open! Whatever the reason it’s a welcome sight.
There's no way were going to non tender uggla
Even if we didn’t sign him to this one year deal we would’ve just went to arbitration and he’d probably end up with a salary more or less right around 8 million. Signing these deals just simply saves both Uggla and the marlins time by not having to go through the arbitration process.
If Uggla is still in a fish uniform opening day then we can start thanking the MLB for yelling at the marlins.
Any statistic can be misleading
It is crazy that Dan Uggla will make more than Hanley Ramirez this year. If you want to really look at OPS Hanley had a .953 OPS which makes Uggla’s .813 OPS look pretty anemic.
Yes Uggla’s OPS was slightly better than Cantu’s. But that is because OPS tends to overemphasize the home run with nobody on base which is Uggla’s specialty. Cantu only hit 16 home runs.
So looking at the old traditional rbi statistic, Cantu shows his superiority. His hits come when the game is on the line and there are men on base. Time after time. Uggla simply chokes in crucial situations when men are on base. Time after time.
The only statistic that really counts is games won. And Cantu wins a lot more games for you than Uggla. A spectacular home run with nobody on base and when you are nine runs behind is less than useless. And that is what Dan Uggla gives you.
And don’t forget that Cantu was playing hurt last year-his hand injury never really healed. And he was dizzy from a medication he was taking.
Yikes.
Basing any argument of player talent on RBI is a no-go.
Uggla displays more power than Cantu. Uggla gets on base more than Cantu. Not sure how you can determine Cantu is a better hitter.
Uggla saw 455 baserunners on base during his PA last season. Cantu saw almost 510. Did Uggla drive in fewer of those baserunners? Yes, 13% next to Cantu’s 18%. But just in 2008, Uggla drove in 17% of his baserunners, while Cantu drove in I believe 16%. And once again, Cantu saw more runners on; Cantu saw 440 baserunners as compared to Uggla’s 370.
There’s a good reason why too. Cantu gets to bat with Hanley in front of him (OBP .400+). Uggla gets to bat with Cantu in front of him (.345 last year, but .327 in 2008). It’s natural to expect more baserunners and RBI opportunities for Cantu.
And the “clutch” argument does not work. There is thorough research that states that clutch talent is very small and takes a lot of time (PA) to differentiate between that and luck.
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Sure the clutch argument works
Cantu wins games. Uggla pads his stats. Don’t believe me? Try watching some games.
Cantu is a winner and Uggla is an overpaid over rated loser who somehow became a folk hero in South Florida. Uggla does hit almost all of his homers with no one on base and his RISP ba is poor.
Sabermetrics is just a lot of pseudoscientific hooey. You bend the convoluted formulas any which way you like so as to become completely meaningless.
Oakland has been ruined by this sabermetrics nonsense while Philadelphia is winning by ignoring them.
BTW do you have any proof that Cantu had more opportunities with men on base than Uggla? I would like to see a statistic that shows runners LOB in late inning crucial situations. That is exactly where Cantu just kills Uggla.
And I don’t mean just a couple of bats but all season long.
And why do you think that they haven't been able to trade Uggla
Precisely because MLB has picked up on the fact that Uggla just melts in the clutch. In fact he is considered pretty much of a joke around the majors. That’s why his trade value has just about vanished.
hmmm...
“BTW do you have any proof that Cantu had more opportunities with men on base than Uggla?”
Uggla saw 455 baserunners on base during his PA last season. Cantu saw almost 510.
But I guess reading is just hooey too, right?
PS: Philadelphia ignores sabermetric research? Is that why they’re arguably the team most aligned with current trends in the community?
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Good to see you back here Dan.
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Clutch
I know from an educated fan’s standpoint, Cantu just seems much more clutch. He always gets that crucial big hit. Uggla, not so much.
You "know" that he "seems" clutch? Isn't that more like a "hunch?"
Semantics aside, if you don’t know what’s going in his mind and body, than “seems” is just an estimate. When you look at the numbers, it turns out it takes around 10,000 clutch PA to determine whether there’s a small difference in clutch talent and random luck.
And of course, how many more “normal” PA do you expect to see during a game compared to clutch PA? Maybe 5-8 PA a game are “clutch,” compared to the remaining 30-33 PA being normal or less important. With those kind of odds, I’d side with the player who provides more overall production, and it’s hard to doubt that between the two, Uggla is the better producer overall.
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Yes, Cantu seems like an imaginary thing to me to.
Could you give it a rest? Could all of you give it a rest? There is no such thing as “clutch” — countless statistical studies have been done, and not one of them suggests that “clutch” is a real thing. Just give it up already — it’s a nice thing to believe, but baseball players are not wizards. Their success at the plate is not determined by some arcane mystical formula. It’s determined by how good they are at baseball, and that holds true for all nine innings of all six months, plus the playoffs.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Actually, the study in the Book says that there is some extremely small clutch talent
But it’s very small (on the order of .006 wOBA) and it needs some 10,000 PA to separate from luck. For all intents and purposes, it’s impossible to discern, but it’s there, probably.
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Oakland's made the playoffs 5 times in the last ten years
Just because they’re in a rebuilding mode right now doesn’t change the fact their approach has worked for most of the decade, plain and simple. And Chase Utley is saber metric god so I’m not sure how you can make that comment about Philly.
I feel sorry for you guys with your sabametric hallucinations
Clearly you spend so much time with your meaningless calculations (with their 500 arbitrary built in assumptions) that you never take time out to actually watch some games.
Put down your calculators and take a look at what is going on in the field. You’re missing out on a lot of fun. Baseball is a great game.
Watch the games and then you will see why Jorge Cantu has been so valuable to the Marlins.
And Oakland is a complete disaster of a franchise.
BTW I have studied advanced calculus and physics as well as differential equations and economics. I know the difference between science and pseudo science.
And your complicated formulas are just a lot of meaningless bunk. And I have taken the time to look at them. They are easy to understand but completely trivial and boring. Pseudo science is pseudo science.
I do keep meaning to watch one of these based ball games
but we don’t get cable down here in my mom’s basement.
I guess I’ll never know what really happens in a baseball game. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go to work and look out my window at that big orange dirt thing with all the grass behind it and all the seats. I wonder what it is we do here…
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What assumptions did either Dan or I use?
As always, your argument devolves into “watch the games, and you’ll see what I mean,” whereas the arguments on the sabermetrics side use numbers, statistical evaluations, and other things which are far more concrete.
And thanks for telling us what you’ve studied, as if it somehow validates your point that numbers are useless in the enjoyment of baseball.
But I’ve had enough feeding the troll. jrhana I know your viewpoints from reading your posts on other Marlins blogs, and I know that trying to convince you otherwise isn’t going to happen. I’ll let you enjoy the game the way you want to enjoy it, and I’ll go ahead and do the same. Let it be known that for me, it also includes watching the games as well, contrary to your claims.
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Yes, statistics are meaningless.
You’re right. What happens on the field is what matters. Once someone writes down what happens on the field, that record bears no connection to reality. Baseball is, like, Schrodinger’s Cat or something. Yep.
(And yes, I understand you think it’s “fun” to be wrong all the time. That’s the only possible explanation for your continued, tedious trolling. Nobody without a true and single-minded love for being wrong could be as consistently, bone-headedly, precisely wrong as you — about everything. I feel like even an idiot would occasionally be right by accident.)
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
And his name is...
Great to have him and his power back!
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