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Why is Baseball Forcing the Florida Marlins to Spend? They’re Successful.

"It’s often mentioned the Marlins have the league’s lowest payroll.  What is not often mentioned?  They’re winning.  The Marlins won 87 games in 2009.  They won 84 games in 2008 with just a $21.8 million payroll.  If you want proof that spending money does not necessarily equal success, see the Cubs and Mets.

Florida games the system.  They fleece other teams of their best prospects, develop and use them while their cost is low and trade the subsequent stars for more prospects.  They field generally competitive teams on a low budget.  Maybe twice a decade they supplement with some veterans and make a World Series run.  They should be the example for small market franchises."

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/01/13/why-is-baseball-forcing-the-florida-marlins-to-spend-theyre-successful/

That is our salvation. We game the system. There is no other way to compete in a world dominated by the Yankees and the Red Sox.

The Red Sox and the Yankees were behind all this. They were unhappy that Loria was eating caviar while the Yankees were funding the Marlins payroll.

But in lands of the  Mets, Phillies and Nationals, they are uncomfortable. If we gave them such a hard time with a 35 million payroll, what are we going to do with a 50 million dollar payroll. Beat their butts that's what:

Bad News for Mets: Marlins Ordered to Spend More Money

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Bad-News-for-Mets-Marlins-Ordered-to-Spend-More-Money-81314392.html

 

I came across similar articles from the Phillies and Nationals

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Why is Baseball Forcing the Florida Marlins to Spend?

They’re moving into a new ballpark.

The Marlins are in the perfect position to “take one for the team” on this issue, because they already planned to increase spending over the next few years. You’ll notice this wasn’t a statement by the PA saying they’re finally exercising their right to oversee the flow of revenue sharing dollars; it was a joint statement by the PA, MLB, and the Marlins saying, in essence, “we haven’t been doing what we should, but we’re totally going to in the coming years.” There’s no penalty being dropped on the Marlins, and there’s no animosity in the agreement. It’s abundantly clear by reading between the lines that this is a way for the PA to do more than it has done in the past while not stepping on any toes — a way to remind teams other than the Marlins that they still do have oversight on this issue and they’re willing to do something about it. The Marlins were in the perfect position to let them do that without actually doing something.

Simple as.

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by dan 2.0 on Jan 13, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

I'm almost reluctant to having a bigger payroll

It’s kind of weird that a system that’s worked so well needs to be changed according to the PA. Whatever. I have confidence in our FO not to start getting careless and go out signing past 30 guys to huge multi year deals. If the money could be used strictly toward locking up young talent and signing draft picks than I would be 100% okay with it.

by tdp992 on Jan 13, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe I'm defending these guys too much

Who knows what the truth is. I remember when they said that the Marlins were so rich they didn’t deserve to have the stadium built for them. The when that didn’t work, they said that the Marlins were too poor to afford the stadium

Here Jorge Costales seems to defend them by saying that they are using their extra money to build the stadium
 
http://www.2thinkgood.com/2009/04/marlins-finances-another-year-another.html

But here he lays right into them

http://www.2thinkgood.com/2010/01/tale-of-two-piggies.html

but greedy or not they are smart. So I don’t believe “they will go out signing past 30 guys to huge multi year deals.”

by jrhana on Jan 13, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Jekyll & Hyde

jrhana – thanks for showing the links – I feel I need to explain what clearly seems contradictory on my part and [hopefully] find a consistent thread.

I have 2 problems with the Marlins management.

The 1st is that they are taking monies clearly intended for player salaries [“improve onfield performance” says the CBA] and using it for other purposes [stadium]. But they are not the only team doing it [just the most consistently blatant] and MLB and the Players Union are complicit in that abuse, since until this week, no team had ever been publicly called out on that strategy, other than occasional grumblings by some of the more aggrieved owners who realized they were unintended sugar daddies [Hank Steinbrenner & John Henry].

But even if the Marlins were ‘allowed’ to break the spirit of the CBA on revenue sharing, given certain MLB political and financial intrigue, it’s still wrong, especially to a fan base which has been told that the Marlins couldn’t afford to spend more.

That’s my 2nd problem. The Marlins, as well as most MLB franchises, are intentionally misleading about their finances. So while I believe that being intentionally misleading is part of David Samson’s job description, not some character flaw, it still does not change the fact that he states things which are not true. Loria’s & Samson’s problems are that the Marlins finances are among the least complicated in MLB, since they do not own a Regional Sports Network [RSN].

When teams have RSN’s — most of the big market teams have them, i.e. Yankees and Yes Network — then what they are earning in local revenues from cable rights can be manipulated since they can set the rates to be the most advantageous for each of the companies who share the same owner.

On a yearly basis Forbes gives us a pretty good idea of what MLB [actually they do the same for all major sports] teams are earning and their estimated worth. In the case of teams with no RSN’s, Forbes basically gives us an excellent idea, because the numbers they put out are more straightforward. What I have done with the Forbes numbers is to fill in some of the detail blanks to show it as a Profit & Loss financial statement.

The public slap down of the Marlins spending also serves as an official confirmation that Forbes estimates of the Marlins operating profits since 2006 are accurate. Below are Forbes operating profits and my estimates [which tie into the Forbes numbers] of revenue sharing the Marlins have received:

2006 – $43 operating profits / received $38 in RS
2007 – $36 operating profits / received $35 in RS
2008 – $44 operating profits / received $35 in RS

The revenue sharing system intended that low revenue teams like the Marlins could compete with higher revenue teams. The Marlins deserve to be called out for keeping that money [$105 over the past 3 years] and then attempting to mislead others that they did not.

To be fair, if the Marlins had not secured a stadium deal, then those $105 would have remained in their pockets, instead of going towards the stadium. The Marlins without a new stadium could have probably gotten MLB to agree to relocating them. After all, Loria already has experience in running down a franchise and forcing MLB into a relocation. see Montreal Expos.

by 2think on Jan 15, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

Were the Marlins on the verge of building a low budget powerhouse?

Whatever else is true, I am convinced that that is why they decided to call out the Marlins. The Marlins were showing that maybe it is possible to win without spending a fortune.

I understand that it is distasteful that Loria is eating top quality caviar with revenue sharing money, but will the Marlins be a better team when they spend more? And is most of the excess revenue sharing money going to the stadium?

Lots of questions here.

Great column by Juan Rodriguez

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2010/01/florida-marlins-josh-johnson-deal-doesnt-signal-end-to-commitment-issues.html

by jrhana on Jan 16, 2010 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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