Players Association Tells Marlins to Spend More
We've been begging the Marlins to spend more money for years, but a voice more powerful than the fans' has spoken.
The Florida Marlins ranked last or second-to-last four consecutive seasons in final payroll. That did not go unnoticed in the Commissioner's Office or with the Players Association.
In a joint statement released Tuesday, the Players Association said it had concerns the Marlins were not in compliance with Article XXIV (B)(5)(a) of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. That provision states:
"A principal objective of the Revenue Sharing Plan is to promote the growth of the Game and the industry on an individual Club and on an aggregate basis. Accordingly, each Club shall use its revenue sharing receipts (from the Base Plan, the Central Fund Component and the Commissioner’s Discretionary Fund) in an effort to improve its performance on the field. Each Payee Club, no later than April 1, shall report on the performance-related uses to which it put its revenue sharing receipts in the preceding Revenue Sharing Year. Consistent with his authority under the Major League Constitution, the Commissioner may impose penalties on any Club that violates this obligation."
The Marlins were one of "several clubs" Major League Baseball and the Players Association discussed. Here are the statements each of the sides made subsequent "extensive discussions":
MLBPA Executive Directior Michael Weiner: "In response to our concerns that revenue sharing proceeds have not been used as required, the Marlins have assured the Union and the Commissioner’s Office that they plan to use such proceeds to increase player payroll annually as they move toward the opening of their new ballpark. Today’s agreement, which covers the period 2010 through 2012, calls for ongoing communication among the Marlins, the Commissioner’s Office and the Union as the Marlins proceed with that plan. It also permits, after consultation among all parties, adjustments in the Marlins’ plan to respond to unforeseen developments, and calls for arbitral intervention if disagreements arise. We greatly appreciate the willingness of the Commissioner’s Office and the Marlins to engage with us and ensure that all terms of the Basic Agreement are met."
Read the rest of JCR's article for David Samson's response. I've got a meeting, so absolutely no time to elaborate. All I can say is WOW.
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I believe that it should be noted that it is the Players Association behind this so they are not exactly giving an unbiased opinion.
IMO baseball salaries have been driven way too high by the Yankees and this has driven several small to medium sized clubs to the brink of bankruptcy.
I admire the Marlins for standing up to the outrageous salary demands out there. An economically strong club is to everyone’s benefit in the long run.
Perhaps they would have a legitimate complaint against clubs like Pittsburgh who have consistently put an inferior product on the field. But they chose to target the Marlins. And why would that be? Because the Marlins have shown you can field a competitive team without breaking the bank. The Players Association feels very threatened by the Marlins way of doing business.
IMO ticket prices are way too high around the country. It costs a fortune to take a family of four to a ball game. And why are ticket prices so high? Because of these ridiculous multiyear multimillion dollar contracts.
Jorge Costales here provides a good explanation and defense for the way the Marlins have been conducting their business. It’s all about the stadium, folks.
http://www.2thinkgood.com/2009/04/marlins-finances-another-year-another.html
That being said I wouldn’t mind seeing the Marlins spend a few bucks on a lights out closer and a few lights out middle relievers.
Other than that I am happy with my team and with the prospects they have in the minors. am happy with their extreme reluctance to hand out long term contracts Remember the Pavano debacle of the Yankees. Pavano’s contract would have ruined the Marlins
You're connecting the dots backwards, here.
IMO ticket prices are way too high around the country. It costs a fortune to take a family of four to a ball game. And why are ticket prices so high? Because of these ridiculous multiyear multimillion dollar contracts.
Ticket prices are high around the country because people are willing to pay that much for them. The forces of supply and demand set those prices. The players make such high salaries because of the amount of revenue coming in from ticket sales, merch sales, TV contracts, etc.. In other words, the players salaries do not set the ticket prices; Revenue sets the players salaries. And really, if teams are making as much money as they are, the players (the people the fans come to see) should be getting a good chunk of it.
This isn’t about the Marlins being fiscally responsible with their money, it’s about the Marlins being handed money to be used for 1 thing, and then using it for something else. Why should they be allowed to use revenue sharing to pay for a new stadium, while other clubs are forced to find the money elsewhere?
I’m from Milwaukee, and while Bud Selig was running the club, we had a $30-40 MM payroll, and we had to fund a new stadium. We actually raised our sales tax to pay for it. We’re still paying it today. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to pay the sales tax, knowing what it’s for, but it doesn’t seem fair that the Marlins have been cheating the system and taking a handout to pay for theirs.
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by dan 2.0 on Jan 12, 2010 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
This is truly unbelievable news. I love these tidbits that come out of left field that brighten up my day. I never expected baseball to do something like this. But this is also why I love the Marlins. They will be forced to spend the money they should be spending. They will keep their overriding philosophy of financial prudence but actually have the requirement of signing some more expensive players. I just hope they dont have to sign Uggla.
Yeah, that'd be a shame.
Hope we don’t get stuck with one of the 5-10 best hitting second basemen in the league. Not now, while his trade value is artificially low following an unlucky season. Anything but that.
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Not sure how I feel about this
I like having the lowest payroll in the bigs and still competing every year for the post-season, but it frustrates me that the front office is always so frugal as to never pull the trigger on big deals that would help our post-season push. Perhaps now we will be more willing to spend money on guys that could help us win the wild card or division come the trade deadline.
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Oh boy,
Now we can sign a closer who will get 40 saves, who we then spin off to Cubs as we all laugh.
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Glad someone called this organization out.
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A better signing than Uggla
I’d rather see them pressured into signing Josh Johnson. Not that I have any beef with Uggla, but pitching is a priority, and Chris Coghlan would be an upgrade to 2B.
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!!
ive been waiting for this to happen since I became a Marlins fan. hopefully the FO realizes the power we would be loosing with Uggs and keep him around for a bit and sign JJ for the next 4-5 years.
It sucks to come so close every year and fall just short of making the playoffs, theyre a good team WITH a low payroll so just imagine how nasty they would be if they dished out some cash to get 1-2 good solid free agents every year like every other team in the league does… Until I see a team out there that can win as many games with such a small payroll as the Marlins then none of them can touch us
Don't forget this is the same players union
that refused to allow steroid testing for years. These player union goons are far from saints.
And why did they not go after the other ultra low payroll teams like the Padres, Pirates and As? That’s simple, they feel very threatened by the Marlins.
from Dave Hyde: “It probably only made them madder that the smart Marlins won more games and spent $600 million less during the last six years than a big-money team like the New York Mets. So not only were they far cheaper. They were lots smarter.”
As long as the rich big market teams win and the poor small market teams lose, they are happy. But when a small market team like the Marlins has the temerity to field a winning product despite the lowest payroll in MLB, something must be done.
IMO the Marlins have put out a superior product precisely because they have practiced payroll discipline.
Imagine if they had thrown away big bucks on long term contracts for the likes of Dontrelle, Willis, Carl Pavano, or even Kevin Gregg? We would be in last place permanently that’s what would have happened.
The dirty secret is that there are scores of players in the minors who are about a year away from being excellent major leaguers. Many of them of course never get their chance. But with rare exceptions it makes no sense to commit to long term megabuck contracts when most of these players could be easily replaced in a year or two.
Personally I would much rather give the guys in the minors a chance than commit to big bucks on popular losers like Uggla.
Incidentally this whole nonsense is just for show and publicity. The Marlins were going to gradually increase their payroll anyway. Those goons from the players union are just flexing their muscles.
The Marlins game plan is a good one and we will be one of the elite teams in the majors over the next decade not because they are going to spend a lot of money but because they don’t throw money away.
Also I see lots of empty seats in places like Cincinnati, San Diego, Houston, Pittsburgh. Players salaries and ticket prices are just too damn high. That’s a fact, Jack
It's about time.
I despise the idea of a salary cap but do like the idea of the luxury tax. Of course that only really works when you have some kind of floor. Hopefully this is the start of a tweaking of baseball finances, but I’m not betting on it.
I don't think we should be spending money for the sake of spending money.
There weren’t any free agents out there this year that I really thought the Marlins should go after. I think the trading off of Hermida and Lindstrom were positives for the club because neither player really lived up to their potential salaries.
I think the championship team we all want to see is already there. Our infield looks very good, and I think our outfield will be there this season too (as long as we don’t insist on playing Bonifacio). The pitching is the only place we really need some help and the arms are already in the system, we just need to be patient in bringing them around.
I agree the organization should loosen the purse strings a little and lock in guys like Johnson and Nolasco and maybe Uggla. I do not think however, that we should follow suit and give outrageous contracts because, “Hey AJ Burnett got paid and he’s not really that good.” I don’t know the ins and outs of the Marlins’ financials, but I imagine they are probably bringing in a little more than they are spending each year. In reality though, as long as we compete every year, I don’t care how much we spend.
I think our drew the line at arbitration
Maybe it happened before, but I don’t remember it. It seemed to get really bad when we couldn’t even keep our players in arbitration years. I can understand not wanting to dish out long term expensive contracts, but the Marlins take it to extremes.

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