Cody Ross's trade value
So Cody Ross's name has come up a lot in trade talks, which is no surprise considering how well Maybin is doing in NOLA and the fact that Cody will be in his second year of arbitration after the year. Although the Marlins could fit him in, he likely will not be here next season. Ontop of which, he's likely our most valueable trading chip. So what exactly is his value?
First you have to understand how good he is.
(Note: I compiled these numbers during the ASB, not going to re-do it all as it should barely have changed)
He took over the CF job for the Marlins in 2008. Since then, he has posted a .810 OPS and 17.1 wRAA On defense, he has a 9.7 UZR and a 9 plus/minus. Very good numbers. He has not been too good on the base paths though, which is normally expected out of a CFer, with only a 0.2 EQBRR. All togeather, this is a total of 27 runs going by UZR and 26.3 going by plus/minus.
Looking at CFers with atleast 120 games played (roughly 50% of games) since then, his 27 runs with UZR rank him 8th out of 26, and his 26.3 runs with plus minus rank him 7th. Needless to say, he's been one of the leagues better CFers.
Sorted by Offense+BR+UZR:
Sorted by Plus/Minus:
However, this also gives advantages to guys with more PAs and Innings. If we rate offense, base running, and fielding to a 150 game sample size, this is what we get
For UZR:
And Plus Minus:
As you can see, Cody is one of the better CFers in the league. By adding then runs for replacement level and positional (+24 runs total), we're talking about a 4 and a half win player, which is very good.
Of other interestings notes, since 2006 Cody Ross has the ISO of any CFer at .233. He ranks 23rd in all of baseball during that time period, ahead of guys like Burrell, Chipper, Holliday, and Morneau.
And dating back to 1901, he has the 9th highest career ISO of any player with atleast 50% of their games in CF. We're talking about one of the most powerful CFers of all time. Certinaly not Mantle or Griffey level, but still very impressive.
The team that trades for him also wouldn't just be getting a rental; he's under team control until after the '11 season. He's making 2.225m this season and will likely make around 3.5-4m in arbitration this coming offseason.
So, then, what exactly is his value?
Most likely, it's around what McClouth got. Although going by statistics, McClouth is worth one less run then Cody, you have to remember that not everybody goes off statistics and McClouth won a gold glove. There are also reports that there were those in Atlanta's office that wanted COdy instead because they thought they could get him for cheaper. I think it's safe to assume that McLouth's haul is a good comp though, which was 3 borderline C+/B- minus guys.
However, the Marlins really do not need depth, as they have one of the deepest minor league systems and not many ML holes to fill. So at that point, you're hoping for something more along the lines of one B spec and one C+ spec.
So then, who could be matches?
Cincinatti Reds: They're currently running Taveras out in CF and as you can see, he's very very bad. However, they have supposedly been more interested in Hermida. Though, with Bruce being really the only impressive OFer left there, getting both probably wouldn't be unheard of.
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New York Yankees: If they aren't sold on Brett Gardner's production, he could be a fit for the Yanks. Gardner is also currently on the DL, leaving the CF job to Melky.
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Kansas City Royals: While they did trade for CoCo Crips this past offseason, we can see above that he's not exactly impressive, and they have been making moves to be better now. However, Cody's below average career OBP of .324 might be too high for Dayton Moore.
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Detroit Tigers: WIth Grandsen, Cody would move to a corner spot, but they could use the OF help
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Chicago White Soxs: They just traded for Mark Kotsay, just enforcing how much they could use Cody
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Seattle Mariners: They've shown they're defense first, and Cody is a very good defensive player. He'd play LF, and would put up a lot better offense then Endy Chavez (as it'll likely be his again next season) and Ryan Langerhans, while not being much worse defensively.
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Oakland A's: They have a good amount of OFers, but only Davis can play CF like Cody and Cody is vastly supperior on offense.
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A couple other fits would be San Deigo and Cleveland but both seem to have given up not just on this year but next year aswell. The Twins could also be a fit, but that would involve them giving up on both Gomez and Young, which is unlikely.
And what are the Marlins needs?
3rd baseman: Currently Chris Coghlan, Emilio Bonifacio, and possibly Gaby Sanchez are the only ML-ready 3b options. We need a real 3rd baseman badly.
ML-ready starting pitcher: Anibal Sanchez is injured again, Andrew Miller is struggling again. With guys such as John Koronka, Graham Taylor, and Hayden Penn getting starts, the need screams badly.
And possibly catcher. Although Baker has done a nice job, fact remains he's aenemic against LHP and has very questionable defense.
However, that's basically it. The Marlins are completely covered in the OF; they have Maybin for CF and Stanton for RF, and something should emerge out of Cousins/Carroll/Petersen/Raynor/et al for LF. There's also the possibility of Logan Morrison moving to LF if Gaby Sanchez pushes him. Which, then moving to first base, there's Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison. You also have to look at the fact that with the current market, FA LF/1B are very cheap. At second base, the Marlins have both Chris Coghlan and Emilio Bonifacio. SS there's a guy by the name of Hanley Ramirez, and the bullpen is loaded with young cost controlled guys aswell as several projectable bullpen arms in the upper minors.
And out of the teams above, none of them really have an attainable ML ready good 3B option. So the focus on Cody will probably be pitching. And there's just too many interesting names to name for that.
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thanks for posting.
You’d like to think that in the New Stadium Era, we could maybe keep a guy like Cody at a reasonable price.
I also wonder if the front office really would trade him giving the uncertainty in the outfield. Maybin’s obviously unproven, Hermida’s Hermida and it remains to be seen if Coghlan’s future is in the outfield. Until the rest of the younger guys come up to the bigs, we have a pretty thin outfield.
if cody's traded this season
it’d be giving up on the season: There’s basically no realistic way the Marlins get better by trading him.
At which point, Maybin being unproven wouldn’t be that big of a deal. Also I think Brett Carroll’s defense would allow him to an average starting OFer even if his slash line isn’t pretty. And, worse come worse, De Aza could fill in again. We wouldn’t be competitive but at that point it would just be giving young players reps to see what they can do.
And when it comes to an offseason trade, see what I say below to SFierce. You addressed this year and he addressed next year so replying for those instances to their respective responses :D
I think the front office finds Cody valuable. I think they’re all catching on to Hermida’s struggles, and if there was one outfielder that might get pushed out, it might be him. In addition, as mentioned, the team could simply run the same configuration it had early in the season with Hermida in left, Maybin in center, and Cody in right. Since Ross isn’t likely to earn a whole lot until yearr 3, I suspect next year is the year they’ll consider trading him.
A quick assumption for me would be 3.5-4m this offseason and 5-6m next offseason.
We could definitely fit it in, but could that money be better used elsewhere? And not just for signing a FA, but that’s 3.5m going to JJ’s long term contract, 3.5m going to next years draft, 3.5m going to international signings, ect.
Right now I think what we can pencil in is Maybin will be in CF, Hermida will be gone, and Coghlan will be an IFer again either here or another team.
Stanton by be an option some time during the summer, but let’s ignore him. I mean, it’s only been two months since he’s been in Jax but his BB and K rates are getting worse, not better. Also, we want him gunbuster strait out the gate. The last thing we want is to spend 3 years of club control on him to have him figure it out at the ML level, we want 6+ years of control of the beast.
That then leaves
Brett Carroll: As I said above, I think he could be atleast an average starter. He’ll give a couple runs on the base paths, he’ll save around 15 runs on defense. Yeah, his slash line is probably just .240/.290/.420/.710, but those 15 defensive runs turn into around 60 OPS points, putting him to equivalent of a .770 neutral defensive OFer. And with his power and improved BABIP skills he very well could break into the middle .700 OPS range. I think his current season line of .253/.309/.448/.757 is far from being unfeasible.
And it’s also just extremely annoying to hear Beinfest go on and on and on about improving defense and we have one of the best defensive OFer in the game rotting on the bench.
Scott Cousins: Basically a brett carroll clone, down to the expect low 700 OPS to saving double digit runs. However, he’s looking more like a platoon partner. His career K% against LHP is 27.7%, RHP just 21.3%. And it’s even more drastic this season: just 18.6% against RHP but 29.6% against LHP. I think he’ll be ready ready for next season. Against RHP I don’t think a mid 700 OPS expectation is by any means a reach. I mean yeah, rookie season for him you have expect adjustments but yeah. The problem though is, doing you live with his poor split stats and take his good defense or try and find a platoon for him?
And just imagine of having an OF of Scott Cousins, Cameron Maybin, and Brett Carroll. Our pitching numbers would improve by quite a lot.
That right there alone covers the other two spots. There’s then the possibility of John Raynor getting back, and if it’s true the FO is pointing towards speed you have to think the FO really likes him. However he’s bad defensively. Bryan Petersen might find his power stroke again. He’s been doing better of late but still just a .1 iso on the year. Jai Miller is having a very good year in NOLA but with his K rates he’ll likely never be ML material.
So, does Cody make us better next year? Yeah. But do we need him? No. And depending on payroll restrictions and other things, it might be better for the bigger picture if he isn’t here.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he was dealt for some good parts.
nny, I enjoy your analysis work, you’re putting in some decent work here.
I think we hang on to Cody for at least another year.
Maybin presumably isn’t ready — we’d be seeing him by now if he was — and we have literally NOTHING beyond him and Hermida. I don’t consider Carroll or Cousins a major-league quality player at the corner infield positions, and starting either one of them would be disgraceful.
Better to keep steady now, make the trade next year — when Maybin is ready (we hope), and Stanton’s a little closer to coming in.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

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