Maybin sent to Triple-A
by Fishcrazy on May 11, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
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In case you didn't already know this, and not seeing it on the front page yet, I regret to inform you that Cameron Maybin has been sent to Triple-A New Orleans.
Courtesy of Juan C. Rodriguez at the Sun-Sentinel:
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The struggling Maybin, who did not start for a third consecutive game Sunday, will report to Triple-A New Orleans where the Marlins hope he’ll continue polishing his game. At no point this season did Maybin achieve any offensive consistency. He hit .202 (17 for 84) with five extra-base hits, three RBI and struck out 31 times.
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The writing was on the wall before Maybin got caught in a rundown between second and third base as the tying run in a one-run game yesterday. Maybin had been on the bench the last few games, and was only used as a pinch-runner Sunday, and obviously didn't do that very well, either.
After hitting an even .500 during last season's extremely encouraging September call-up, Maybin was primed for big things this year. But, much like Bonifacio, the big splash wore off quickly. By the end of April, Maybin was almost an automatic out who looked completely overmatched. So back down to the minors it is to get his head right again:
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We’re looking for him to get some at-bats and regular time, and polish his game," manager Fredi Gonzalez said. "We always talked about right from the very beginning was the confidence level and we don’t want a guy to get buried. As a staff and as an organization we felt he was getting close to that.
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Maybin remains a premiere prospect, so the Fish were careful to give him some encouraging words as he heads to the minors:
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''We just want to send him down, get some AB's, and regain some confidence,'' Marlins general manager Mike Hill said. ``He's tremendously talented, has a bright future ahead of him. He's still a baby.''</blockquote>
(Via the Miami Herald.) You don't want your top prospect to feel like a failure simply because he needs some more seasoning. I have no doubt he'll regain his swagger and reclaim his spot in center soon enough.
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In Maybin's place, the team called up John Koronka, who was 2-1 with a 3.00 ERA at N'Awlins. Koronka was a former mediocre reliever who was converted into a starter this year and has become pretty darn good at it (at least in the minors). Here's hoping that he'll capably fill the gap until Sanchez and/or Miller return.
And last, this would appear to mean that Chris Coghlan has claimed left field for now, with Ross taking over for Maybin in center and Hermida sliding to right. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think they called up Coghlan to have him sit behind Ross Gload. If anyone has any other insight into this, comment away.
(Sorry for the lack of block-quotes; this is my first FanPost and I can't figure out the coding.)
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Close enough (the blockquote thing)
I have no problem with sending Maybin down, but in his defense he really wasn’t given much of a change to hit with a little protection which the eight-hole doesn’t provide.
But be that as it may, there is also a curious aspect: why not send down Bonifacio also?
In the last ten games: Maybin .194/.277/.277; Bonifacio .186/.302/.209.
There seems like little difference to me.
by craig on May 11, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing the first time this was mentioned a week or two ago.
I didn’t see much of a difference in how they were playing, and at least Maybin can go yard once in a while, But since then, Maybin struggled even more, while Bonifacio at least found some small measure of consistent mediocrity as a 1-hit-per-game type of guy.
I almost wonder if Maybin got sent down because they have higher expectations, while they’re okay with Boni only hitting .250.
And thanks for promoting my fanpost to the front page! I feel all special now.
by Fishcrazy on May 11, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 games is no sample size.
Because Bonifacio has played better in the past. Maybin’s been terrible all year. And he doesn’t seem to be improving.
Anyway, Maybin’s struggles stem from a specific problem — the ability to identify and hit breaking balls. Whereas Bonifacio’s issue is mostly that he’s not a very good hitter. Maybin has things to work on. He needs to work on them. work wouldn’t help Bonifacio as much.
Also, Bonifacio is a base-stealing threat and a plus defender at a more difficult position than Maybin’s; Maybin isn’t a bad defender, but you can’t argue he has as many non-hitting perks as Bonifacio.
by 3.3seconds on May 12, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good decision
I think this is a stronger decision than most think. Maybin probably shouldn’t have been brought up at the start this year anyways, but he will come around. As far as Coghlan, I’m not so sure about his outfield play. He isn’t an outfielder, but they’ve spent some money on him so i guess they will do whatever it takes to see if they can get something out of him. I would like to see Brett Carroll get a couple games series to let him loose alittle bit. Spring training he was on fire not only defensively but offensively. With some consistent AB’s this kid could become the next Pedriora. He’s got the glove and arm as noted on SC wed (i think it was wed) as he was number 5 and some phenomenal plays in Spring. But you never know what managers are thinking.
by proctor12 on May 11, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carroll Triple-A numbers are very similar to Coghlan's....
but of course, Brett played in Albuquerque.
I would love to see what he could do.
by craig on May 11, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of curiosity...
where does the Pedroia comparison come from? Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t think of any characteristic they share, be it physical, statistical or reputational.
(shut up, spell check; reputational is a word if I say it is)
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by dan 2.0 on May 11, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the benefit of having carroll and coghlan on the team
is that coghlan can also pay 3b, spelling bonifacio and letting carroll be a defensive substitute in the OF at the end of the game
by jrsyeagle on May 11, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I really really REALLY don’t understand the comparison, and saying he had similiar year to coghlan is wrong aswell.
BC has a career MILB BB/K of 0.28. Pedroia had one of 1.62! and CC of 1.05. These are HUGE differences. BC does not have the kind of contact rates that Pedroia and CC have, he does not walk like they do, and he strikes out a lot.
What he does have over them is power.
If BC starts, you should expect a SLG-filled line. His contact and K rates mean that he’s not going to hit for average, and combined with his low walk rates that means he’s not going to have a good OBP. I’d personally expect something like .230/.290/.400. Maybe he can break .250 though. I think .270 would be pushing it, that’s doubtful in my eyes.
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by nny on May 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparison
My comparison has nothing to do with numbers or physical appearance. I was saying, that before, Pedroia was a nobody and they put him in to see what he could do. We know how that turned out. Pedroia was to provide relief in his role, then they gave him a chance and he is an MVP type player. That’s where my comparison came.
by proctor12 on May 12, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a nobody?
Depending on the scout, Pedroia was either the best or second-best Red Sox position prospect when he came up. Hell, Sickels had him as one of the top 50 hitting prospects in all of baseball.
Carroll at his most-beloved was never rated anywhere near Pedroia, who was the subject of all kinds of press because while his numbers kept going down, his scouting reports kept getting better and better. He was a scout’s darling. Carroll, not so much.
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by dan 2.0 on May 12, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Carroll has a career OPS of .388.
At this point, he’s strictly a defensive replacement. Which raises a lot of questions — why do we need a defensive replacement for corner outfield positions? Aren’t our starting outfielders good defenders anyway? Don’t we have Amezaga?
But all of those questions lead in the opposite direction: “what is a guy like Brett Carroll doing in the major leagues to begin with?” Granted, he’s only had 90 career plate appearances, but in that time, he’s made Maybin look like Albert Pujols. The only reason I could see giving him at-bats is to confirm whether he’s really as awful as he looks so far.
by 3.3seconds on May 12, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an OPS of .388?
is that even possible?
Despite his obvious limitations, he’s made some really nice contributions in the field. I don’t remember the game, but I seem to remember him saving a win for us near the beginning of the season with a diving catch in the 9th. (Or maybe it wasn’t diving and he scooped a low liner…something like that.)
A defensive replacement is a nice luxury to have, but I don’t know how long this will last. The team has to have some outfielders in the minors with solid gloves and a better bat, don’t they?
by Fishcrazy on May 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad move
But as some stated above, putting him in a different spot in the lineup could have afforded him seeing better pitches and getting more pitches to drive. With his speed he really should be hitting 2nd in the lineup in front of Ramirez. He does need to be a bit more selective though to get to that point. All in all its probably the best move at this time. Give him a few weeks down there to tear things up and by mid June call him back up.
by backtocali on May 11, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they can afford to leave him at second right now.
He really did look progressively more confused and overmatched, and the amount of strikeouts are alarming. If Bonifacio were putting up better numbers, I’d be more inclined to test Maybin at second. \
But when your leadoff hitter AND your number-two guy have anemic averages, high strikeout rates and are generally struggling, it makes it really tough to be Hanley. You don’t want your best player to have two automatic outs in front of him every time.
by Fishcrazy on May 12, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's still only 22
So he has a year or two to start showing the results people have expected from him. Unless he really turns it on upon his return, Im guessing the 4.5 WARP Pecota is projecting for him this year will not be met. I felt that he was the steal of his draft class in 05. Cant wait for him to finally arrive.
by backtocali on May 12, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good move, he was struggling,
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
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by Patssuck456 on May 12, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the good move in the long-term...
…but man, do we miss Willingham right about now. I’m not liking the idea that one of Bonifacio/Amezaga/Helms/Gload/Carroll be starting every game, and two of ’em if Coghlan is sitting. Too bad none of our OF prospects are ready.
by dgriot on May 12, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again, there's no guarantee Willingham would've stayed healthy.
I’d think it was his durability more than anything else that led to his trade.
by Fishcrazy on May 13, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin is basically Gary Sheffield circa 1989 right now.
Not that I’m guaranteeing that he’ll ever become Gary Sheffield circa 1995. But at this point, people were letting his obvious potential cloud the fact that he obviously isn’t ready yet. He doesn’t know how to hit. Send him back to the minors and teach him how to hit.
Which is what they’re doing, so good for them.
by 3.3seconds on May 12, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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