The future of the Marlins' payroll
I've been meaning to post this for some time, but this is the first time in a while I spend a significant period of time at my computer.
So as we all know, the Marlins' new ballpark has been approved, assuring baseball is here to stay in Miami. I'm sure this brings a lot of excitement to fans everywhere, and maybe even conflicting emotions in regards to the current economy and the timing of this deal. This is not the focus of this post. I am posting this because I'd like to share my view of what the payroll for this club will be going forward and beyond 2012 when the park opens.
Many Marlins fans will jump to the conclusion that this new stadium means more of a revenue stream coming to the club and thus more money being shelled out to big-time free agents. I'm here to shoot down such notions. Sure, this is what the organization and fans have been waiting for: larger revenue coming into the team to be used on players and not lease payments at Dolphins Stadium. But that is not this team's track record. The Marlins have a very particular way of running their business. Overpaying for players is not one of them.
I do not doubt that this organization is about winning and being competitive, which they've done. And, hopefully, this new stadium will prompt them to open up their wallets some more. But don't get ahead of yourselves, fans. It's not as though suddenly the Marlins will be players in sweepstakes for the likes of Mark Texeira or C.C. Sabathia. I believe the Marlins will spend on players that are fiscally beneficial.
Let's face it. As much as it frustrates us sometimes to not be in play for top flight free agents, the Marlins know how to maximize the talent they have available to them. They know that the A-Rod's and ManRam's of the world are few and far between. those are players that come along only once every generation. And as great as those players are, they don't assure you success or championships. Most players only give you about 4 or maybe 5 years of solid production. And that is what the Marlins try to do: capitalize on that time window. And it works for them, and that's fine.
I'm not here to say that the Marlins will continue their bargain-basement ways. They better not. Not only will it shed bad light on the organization to continue in their current spending habits with a new revenue income (especially since the team chose to not open its books during stadium negotiations), but also it is not what our great city deserves. Our market is deserving of a competitive payroll. Granted, it will never be on the level of the Yankees or Red Sox, which is fine, because their form of spending doesn't assure anything and is somewhat irresponsible. But I feel that a middle-of-the-pack payroll is acceptable. If anything, it'll be money mostly spent on resigning their own talent. Rather than go after the Texeira's of this world, how about resign your own home-grown, elite talent, which they have shown they can produce. Sure, it'd be nice to go after a good tier 2 free agent every once in a while, and Miami is still a prime free agent destination, but Sampson and Co. know how to use the business of baseball to their advantage. They know players don't become free agents for almost 6 years, and not arbitration-eligible for 3 years. So they use the time they have control of that player's rights to their full advantage. Players can earn their pay, year-to-year, through arbitration, and if there is a player they feel they can make a long-term commitment to, then they can do it. If anything, this stadium means keeping a few more of those home-grown talents.
If anything, this post is to diminish false hopes some fans might have about the future of the payroll. No one should think the Marlins will suddenly be spending at the rate of the Mets or Dodgers. Frankly, as we all know what kind of sports town this is, the Marlins will always remain a small- or mid-market team, unless they become a baseball powerhouse, perennial contenders, and market themselves in Latin America as the "Team of the Americas", bringing in a whole other form of revenue and popularity. That's for another post, another day. In the meantime, we can enjoy this team's success now, as this team is competitive year in, year out. And we can rest assured that soon the Josh Johnson's and Dan Uggla's of the world won't have to look elsewhere for their big payday, but instead can look right here, in South Florida, and remain part of what could be the next great baseball team. With the Marlins' history, who's to say it ain't so.
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Nice to see someone else is a Bulliever in the Marlins
Thank you for an outstanding post. I am looking forward to seeing more of your thoughts as you seem to be one of the few that actually gets it. I actually was vaguely formulating some similar ideas in my mind so you have saved me the effort of putting them down. I’m sure mine would not have been nearly as cogent as years so we all owe you some thanks.
And this is exactly their strength not their weakness.
After the 2003 world series, the current management made some honest attempts to compete in both 2004 and 2005. And they discovered a team limited to 50 -60 million with a Mike Lowell here and a Carlos Delgado there just could not compete with the true high rollers. Multiple teams have tried to compete by overpaying for second tier free agents with little or no success. Some of these teams have doomed themselves to many years of pure mediocrity. Actually even the Yankees have weighted themselves down with long term contracts to star players with diminishing skills.
So they went the other extreme and cleaned house. But they didn’t just throw away players. They got top prospects in return, players with a future. The Marlins will now pretty much be limiting themselves to players in the first 4-5 years of their careers. But they will continually have great prospects in the minors to take their place. In fact the players that will arrive on the average will be better than the players that will be leaving. Things are going to get better not worse with the passing years as they continue to refine their game plan. But tie them down with a bunch of overpaid B-B+ players on long term contracts, and we will never win another world series.
I continually see comments in the national media to the effect that more is always better-that the higher the payroll the better the team. The Marlins are and will be proving that that is nonsense. In fact less is more in the case of the Marlins. And they have to be very careful. One single Pavano could ruin them. They have no margin for error.
I can understand the national media denigrating the Marlins, but I can’t understand all the locals who just don’t seem to get it.
Guys, go with the flow. The Marlins have a great management and they know what they are doing. Let them execute their original and brilliant game plan. This year and the last one are just the first taste of the great things to come. Some years will be better than others of course, but the future is bright.
I hope some of you guys have been going to the games. Today Josh Johnson was able to throw 119 pitches (I saw 113 in the media but I saw 119 on the stadium big screen) with great effect. He was still hitting 96-97 in the last inning. Letting Johnson pitch this much this early in the stadium may have been a little dangerous, but clearly Freddi did not trust his bullpen. Charlie Manual on the other hand was able to pull Santana because he now has a bullpen he trusts. If today’s game had turned into a battle of the bullpens, we probably would have lost.
I honestly believe Loria always has a little private slush fund he holds back in case this could be the year and the team has an obvious hole. I think they will shoring up our bullpen hopefully soon.
Or maybe guys like Nunez, Penn, Kensing, Calero, Pinto will settle down and do the job.
thanx for the kind words
as jaded as us marlins fans tend to be sometimes, i try to keep the faith with this organization. its great, because they always seem to get rid of guys at the right time, which goes with my theory of maximizing a players’ productive years.
i was definitely at the game Sunday. JJ was spectacular. it sucks because i got there at the beginning of the 4th inning on account of work. so i missed to 2 marlins runs. so my experience of the game is Mets win 1-0. LOL.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 13, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm confused...
When has it ever been suggested, here or anywhere, that the stadium means payroll will be in the same stratosphere as New York or Boston? And to a lesser extent, how many people have been talking about the stadium’s biggest effect being on adding free agents rather than re-signing homegrown talent?
This seems like a lot of words to take down a stance that nobody actually has put forth.
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Actually the common perception has been that automatically the MArlins ought to
be rapidly increasing their payroll.
1) That’s just not the way they do business
2)The secret to their success is exactly their pinch penny ways.
this is what i'm saying
this is my first season on this blog, so maybe no one here has brought up that common perception. but the people that are of the opinion that this team doesn’t spend because they don’t generate the revenue, then yes, they corollate new stadium with increased payroll.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 20, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Finding a team that fits
Beinfest has done a great job in recent years in just finding a team that will be competitive year in and year out. He makes the most of the every player that we have acquired. He dumped the much love Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for prospects that will be stars in the future. Hanley will eventually have to be moved to the outfield b/c his defense is just not cutting it. Looking at the prospects throughout the minors it seems like we might have some difficulty filling SS and 2B. We all have a feeling that Uggla is gonna be gone this upcoming winter. Bonifacio belongs at 2B but we will see if his ability to hit continues.
good read
I wouldnt expect the Marlins to throw $$$ at Free Agents, it is just not this FO’s wat.
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Loved It
I loved the fanpost. I thought that it was what a FanPost really should be. I have to give you props. And seriously, would they switch Hanley to the outfield?
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by The Dolphins Are Coming on Apr 17, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Great post!!
while i agree that what the Marlins do is effective, does anybody think that this formula would work in building a loyal fan base? i just feel like rebuilding and then winning for a year or two with unknown players will not win over fans. it hasn’t to this point and i don’t think it will in the new stadium. while the mets are a mediocre team, they have a rabid fan base (as mislead as they may be). it really ticks me off when i see these guys in our stadium. so it brings into question what more important? keeping your fans happy? or winning a series every 6 years? while i personally don’t mind the current formula many of our citizens don’t see it that way, as evidenced by our half empty home games.
by the way if this has been talked about before i apologize. i’m new to the blog
i know what you mean
fans, or perhaps more casual fans, like getting attached to certain players. so when players are continuously getting shipped, it makes it difficult to bond with the team if your favorite player is always getting traded. fans equate keeping players to sustained success, but these guys have shown that that is not true. its not to say that i don’t want them to keep these players. hell, please do. but they pay to keep the ones they feel are WELL worth it. they know more than we do, so i trust in their method, because the results are on the field. year in, year out, this team is competitive.
we went out for pizza after the game. -dave wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Apr 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

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