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Can Sheffield go into the HoF as a Marlin?

So since the Tigers just released Sheffield I was looking into his stats and seeing what team would he go in as if he gets voted into the HoF. I didn't go super indepth with this, but it gives you a nice little look.
294 games played with the brewers
146 games played with the padres*
446 games played with the marlins*
436 games played with the dodgers*
290 games played with the braves
347 games played with the yankees
247 games played with the tigers

287 hits with the brewers
184 hits with the padres*
432 hits with the marlins*
488 hits with the dodgers*
341 hits with the braves
381 hits with the yankees
225 hits with the tigers

21 homeruns with the brewers
43 homeruns with the padres*
116 homeruns with the marlins*
113 homeruns with the dodgers*
64 homeruns with the braves
76 homeruns with the yankees
44 homeruns with the tigers

133 RBI with the brewers
100 RBI with the padres*
315 RBI with the marlins*
310 RBI with the dodgers*
216 RBI with the braves
269 RBI with the yankees
132 RBI with the tigers

.259 BA with the brewers
.330 BA with the padres*
.288 BA with the marlins*
.312 BA with the dodgers*
.319 BA with the braves
.291 BA with the yankees
.247 BA with the tigers

okay. he has 3 all star games as a dodger. 1 with the marlins. 1 with the braves. 2 with the yankees, and 2 with the padres

*stats are not 100% correct due to wikipedia not seperating his stats for those teams on the years he was traded.. padres traded him to the marlins midseason in june and the marlins traded him to the dodgers pretty early in may.

so basically you can have an argument for Sheffield to go in as either a marlin or dodger. I think if either of those two teams sign him now and he hits his 500th homerun with that team that would be enough to push him into the HoF in that uniform (if he gets voted in). <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_1786370--> <!-- THE POST -->

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That's very interesting.

Thanks for compiling the stats. I guess it’s been so long since he played here, and so much has happened with the team since, that we almost forget that he was terrific here for a few years. I hadn’t even realized he played more years for us than anywhere else.

But I’d say there’s little-to-no chance he goes in as a Marlin. At the very least, I think he’d want to hitch his HOF wagon to either of the flagship franchises he played for, L.A. or New York. (Who wouldn’t want to be another Yankee HOFer alongside Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, et al.?) If I had to guess, it would be the Dodgers, which is where he really grew into national prominence.

Of course, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he even makes the Hall in light of the BALCO admission. He’s not one of those guys who was ever recognized as being among the best in the game for a given period, or who racked up a lot of statistical titles, MVP awards or championships. Instead, he’s the kind who compiles impressive career statistics by being consistently very good over a long period of time, even past their prime. In other words, the Rafael Palmeiro type.

So if all you’ve got is that you were still putting up big numbers in your mid-30s when other players normally decline, and now that very same physical longetivity is suspect, I think a lot of voters will punish him for it.

by Fishcrazy on Apr 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Being a fringe Hall guy (his numbers are there, but he never won any of that precious hardware the writers love — and he was/is a terrible defender) is one thing. And I suppose being a fringe Hall guy with a career in the 90s and 00s is another thing. But being a fringe Hall guy with a 90s/00s career and a high profile inclusion in the BALCO situation is a different thing entirely.

That said, I think in light of these numbers (for which I also want to give out thanks to Flux), if anything I think he’s most likely to be a Marlin. Without any major awards, there’s no real individual standout season to tie him to a team. The standout season, really, is 97, because of the World Series (even if technically it wasn’t one of his greatest statistical years). The thing that pushes it over the edge though, is that he will almost assuredly be the first player who would be allowed to go in as a Marlin (for as much as I hope Dawson gets in, the Hall wouldn’t let him wear a Marlins cap even if he wanted to). And while I have no idea what kind of person Sheffield is on this type of thing, being The First is a pretty big pull for most people.

I agree that, if I had to guess, I’d say he goes in a Dodger, but I’d put it 51/49 with Florida (I don’t think the Hall would let him go in as a Yankee on two seasons that aren’t stand-outs). But I’d put his chances of getting voted in to begin with significantly worse than 51/49.

Very good post though, Flux. The kind of thing that usually only crosses people’s minds (or my mind, at least) when a guy actually retires. I hadn’t given it a thought before now.

by dan 2.0 on Apr 1, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to remember

That at one time, Sheff said he wouldn’t want to go into the Hall as a Marlins.
I believe his reasoning was that, even though he won a World Series championship here, he felt like it wasn’t a team, but a collection of “hired guns.”
That’s all from memory though, so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm doin the Fish again. (Yeah, yeah, yeah.)

by colombo259 on Apr 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He might take a few tries to get in. The voters may see him as a Larry Walker and Edgar Martinez type hitter, good but not great hitter.

He played 6 years in Florida and won his only world series ring here. His best year as a Fish was 1996, but it wasn’t his best season.

Gary best career numbers came out of his years as a Dodger. The thing so many teams dislike Garry because of his mouth. When Gary Sheffield was brought up in his rookie year and was moved to SS. However the next year he in a position battle with Bill Spiers. Gary was then moved to third but criticized the Brewers by saying it was an issue of race. In 1990, it looked like the Brewers got the first round player they drafted, however he was still being a pain in the clubhouse, with his accusations of the Brewers being racist by having Bill Spiers as the teams starting shortstop and Gary at Third. Gary would play only 50 games with the Brewers with multiple injuries in 1991.

The Brewers then traded him to San Diego, where they would be unexpectedly traded to the newly expanded Florida Marlins (For future All-Time saves leader Trevor Hoffman) the same year he was traded for. After playing with the Fish for 5 years and earning a world series ring the Marlins traded him in 1998, claiming they could not afford a contract extension.

Having his best career numbers in LA didn’t stop Sheffield from firing his mouth. He began to lobby for a trade when he said the team was spending their money stupidly and publicly criticized coaches and teammates. Gary got his wish on January 15, 2002, when he was traded to the Braves.

Sheffield spent two years in Atlanta put up great numbers, where he would sign with the Yankees and became part of an All-Star lineup with the newly acquired Alex Rodriguez. He finished 2nd MVP votes in his first year with the team. After injuring himself in a collision, he was out until September, despite first trying to play with the wrist injury. When he came back he lost his right field job to Bobby Abreu (Who was traded for on the deadline) and started at first base. The Yankees would then trade him to the Tigers in 2007.

During an July 2007 interview with HBO’s Real Sports, Sheffield said that Yankees manager Joe Torre treated black players differently than white players during his time there. He also said that he thought that biracial Yankees player Derek Jeter wasn’t “all the way black.”

On September 19, 2008, Sheffield was hit by a pitch from Cleveland Indians pitcher Fausto Carmona and walked to first base. When Carmona threw to first base, he and Sheffield exchanged words and Sheffield charged the mound leading to a bench-clearing brawl. Carmona was seen landing several punches to Sheffield’s head, which left him bloodied. Carmona and Sheffield were both ejected, along with Indians catcher Víctor Martínez and Tigers second baseman Plácido Polanco. Sheffield made statements after the suspension that the involved players from the Indians would be “penalized” by him as well.

So if he does get in, he might just in as a Marlin.

by Crooklyn Banks on Apr 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he will get in

But ESPN has 2 of his 3 “best years” with the Marlins

by jrsyeagle on Apr 6, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's best years

Best seasons were:
2003: .330/.419/.604, 39 HR, 132 RBI, with Atlanta
2000: .325/.438/.643, 43 HR, 109 RBI, with LA
1992: .330/.385/.580, 33 HR, 100 RBI, with San Diego
1996: .314/.465/.624, 42 HR, 120 RBI, with Florida

by Crooklyn Banks on Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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