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Who will win the 5th bench slot?

I'm assuming Gabby wins the 1st base job and Fredi goes with 5 bench slots. I think Amezaga, Helms, and Rebelo are locks. I feel Bonifacio will get the MI reserve spot. This puts Andino in a tough spot since Amezaga can play the infield too.

This leaves Carroll, McPherson, Gibbons, Miller, and De Aza for the 5th spot. All eyes point to Brett who has put up monster stats in Albuquerque the past 2 seasons. Dallas has the skills to be a major leaguer, especially a DH, but doesn't fit on the Marlins roster with Helms as the backup 3B/1B. I don't think Jay will do enough to impress management. Jai has yet to prove himself in the minor leagues. My sleeper pick is Alejandro who won the CF job out of spring in 2007. He has put up respectable numbers in the minors and has shown a decent eye.

 

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Andino and McDallas have to make the team otherwise they would be free agents, I would think those two have the upper hand over Carroll and Bonifacio

Alejandro is not on the 40 man roster, so he would need to technically kick someone off it to make the squad. I don’t see this happening

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by Ramp on Mar 2, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also to be considered is the fact that Bonifacio and Carroll aren’t very good.

PS: I wrote this in response to Craig’s Hermida/Morrison post, but it fits here as well:

If we’re talking guys who can step into left field right away, shouldn’t we start with Raynor rather than Morrison? Now, obviously it won’t happen because Fredi is no Tony La Russa, but wouldn’t Raynor fit perfectly as a #9 hitter, getting Maybin more RBI opportunities and big time double-steal possibilities? At the very least, wouldn’t he fit just fine as a 5th OF slash pinch runner slash pinch hitter against lefty relievers? Does this make too much sense? He has to be a better choice than Carroll and De Aza.

by dan 2.0 on Mar 3, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Carroll

I don’t think it’s fair to judge Brett Carroll on 66 at bats when he has hit the ball very well over the last few seasons when seeing some legit PT.

Probably better off to give Raynor some time in New Orleans. And Raynor is not on the 40 man roster as of right now

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by Ramp on Mar 3, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the MLB at-bats

When you’re 26 and you haven’t managed to make the roster of arguably the single friendliest franchise for young and/or inexperienced players (admittedly more friendly for arms than bats), that’s a tell. When your big monster season comes in a park that makes Rockies hitters envious, that’s a tell. And yes, that’s “season” singular, as in 2007, because last year’s numbers in Albuquerque were as tremendous as those in Jupiter were horrendous (injuries, rehab, blah blah blah… 67 ABs, as pointed out above, isn’t worth judging anyway). Anyway, as I was saying, when you’ve shown at every level that you couldn’t draw a walk if you were spotted 3 balls (alternate joke: …if you had a pen and paper), that’s a tell. MLEs have their problems, but I find it hard to get around a 2007 MLE of .240/.286/.424. You can learn a lot of things when you adjust to the majors; drawing walks isn’t one of them.

Now, is it possible that I’m being unfair in writing off his Albuquerque numbers considering he still did outperform the other Topes? Sure. Is it possible that I’m being unfair in writing off the possibility that the coaches and scouts in the organization have either been wrong about his readiness or ignored by the decision-makers? Sure (in fact, this is probably the part most likely to be wrong). Is it possible that he’s another name ready to be added to the list of guys whose numbers and/or MLEs have shortchanged their ability? Sure.

But is it likely? I wouldn’t say so. Considering the care the organization has taken in keeping the top guys from even getting to Albuquerque, much less staying, I wouldn’t bet on it. And when it comes down to it, considering most (all?) of us have actually seen only a handful of his minor league ABs, if that, I can’t help but wonder if the general tide of wanting him to get a chance isn’t more out of some ephemeral sentiment, some great quote or game recap we read, where we decided this is one of the good guys, and now regardless of the big picture, we just want the chance to be validated. I mean, I think everybody here, myself included, had, and continue to have, a big place in our hearts for Jason Wood and his story. And every spring we’d call for him to finally get his real shot — and bless him for getting it, but for as great a story it was and as happy it made us, he performed like a guy who most teams wouldn’t have called up.

Let’s be honest: all in all, baseball is a pretty efficient marketplace. Guys who slip through the cracks only to emerge as legitimate players are rare (perhaps Uggla has spoiled us). Though it should be noted that the hitter who languished in the minors without getting his shot and then “proved scouts wrong” when he did (your Ugglas, Custs, Peñas, etc), more often than not, has a similar profile: low average due to Ks, mid-to-high OBP, and power. They are the Three True Outcomes guys whose coaches/scouts can’t get past the Ks and the lack of base hits to see that there is value in what it is they can do. Carroll certainly has the Ks, but he hasn’t mashed outside of Albuquerque and he makes Bonifacio look like an on-base machine.

As a 26 year old, he’s as much a known quantity as anyone on the team. And as far as I can tell, that quantity is an arm that would stand with anyone’s in the bigs and a bat that has rightly been put in quad-A territory. I honestly wouldn’t mind him making the team as the 5th OF, getting MLB coaching and video work every day, and being around to spell Hermida or Cody or stepping up if/when Amezaga has to be an infielder. If he’s ever going to get a shot, it needs to be this year. But a guy who has one last shot to prove himself is not the same as a guy who deserves that shot. And as far as I can tell, Carroll doesn’t.

…wow, did I just write twenty pages about something not at all important and probably repeated and rambled for 90% of it? I guess this means I am officially back.

by dan 2.0 on Mar 3, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, wait...

I’m not officially back until I post a graph or a spreadsheet based on some trivial stat. Well, I guess I’m 50% back then. 67% if you consider responding to my own post part of the process. Spring Training for me too. I’ll have all the rust knocked off by Opening Day, I’m sure.

by dan 2.0 on Mar 3, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

soooo

in the end, you’re ok with Carroll as the fifth outfielder

k.

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by Ramp on Mar 4, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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