Winter Meetings: Marlins Rumor Central
by GameFish on Dec 9, 2009 7:54 PM EST
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The Winter Meetings are underway, and here at FishStripes the goal is to keep you as informed as possible on anything and everything that could be in the works for the Marlins. Yes, even the super ridiculous rumors that swirl about that we all know have about a .001% chance of actually happening. (We're all about the facts here at FishStripes.) Until the meetings end, just consider Craig and I the Sal Masekela and Catt Sadler of the baseball world. Except, you know, Craig's dreds aren't as long as Sal's, and I won't be wearing a micro-minidress or contorting my body into an extremely awkward/unnatural supermodel pose as I blog.
Check back often, as we'll be updating as the information comes in each day. Here is the latest:
[UPDATE] Matt Lindstrom has been traded to the Houston Astros for RHP Robert Bono and SS Luis Bryan.
JoeFrisaro: Heard don't put much stock into Cantu to Rangers reports. At this point, Cantu is expected back in Fla. Always subject to change
JoeFrisaro: Don't rule out Uggla winding up in San Fran. There is still smoke. Also, heard Marlins never asked for Bumgarner in return.
Grit 2 has signed with the Philths:
Word spread late tonight at the Winter Meetings in Indianapolis that the Phillies had signed free agent outfielder Ross Gload. A baseball source said it was a two-year contract.
Both the Giants and the Orioles appear to be cooling off on Uggla:
JoeFrisaro: Uncertainty of how Uggla can handle 3B seems to be limiting his market. O's may be cooling.
The Giants are looking to add thump to their lineup, but not if it leads to more clanks in their infield. So they haven't amplified efforts to acquire Florida Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla, who might be the surest run-producing infielder available via trade or free agency.
mlbtraderumor: Rangers Interested In Jorge Cantu http://bit.ly/7M3tV8
JoeFrisaro: A lot of interest on Pinto. Nothing imminent.
JoeFrisaro: The Dodgers are inquiring about Alfredo Amezaga.
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I don't think Amezaga can hit well enough to play in the majors.
Not that Bonifacio has proven he can, but I feel like Amezaga has proven he can’t. And we can’t carry two pinch hitter-only corner infielders, and then a guy who can only play as a defensive replacement.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
Or a better Uggla impersonation
Chris Coghlan for NLRoY
Miami Dolphins are headed back to the Playoffs!
While I'd miss Amezaga,
If my two choices are
- Trade Amezaga, Cogs to 2B, Boner utility
or
- Amezaga utility, Cogs LF, Boner 2B
I’d rather take the downgrade at utility than at 2B.
agreed
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
T.Lex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt. Can't just suppress sixty five million years of gut instinct.
Bonifacio
If he could just get on base a little more (sort of like michael bourn did this past year), I think he’d be a pretty solid to above average player at 2nd.
He’s most likely one of the top five base runners in the whole game, he can play solid/slightly above average D at 2nd, all things considered I’d project him as a 1.5 to 2.5 win player at 2nd. Wouldn’t be bad at all considering he was probably the worst everyday player last year outside of yuniesky betancourt.
kinda seems like a no-brainer to me
09 salaries – boner 400k amezega 1.3 mil
- boner hit .296 (16-54) from Aug-Oct. essentially as a pinch hitter/util
- boner is basically a guarantee to score from 1st on extra base hits – that’s value solely as a pinch/baserunner
- amezaga is coming off a leg injury – a guy who depends on speed is coming off a leg injury
slight improvements to boner’s 1. basestealing 2. bunting 3. plate approach would make him incredibly valuable esp when he only has to see relievers & or 5th day starters
Cantu to the rangers rumor
Texas said they would give up a starting pitcher for him…. I’m undecided if the deal would be worth it. To be honest Gaby could probably play at the same level as Cantu, so losing Jorge wouldn’t really be that bad,
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rangers-interested-in-jorge-cantu.html
Gload to sign with Phillys
The Phillies have agreed to sign Ross Gload to a two-year deal, according to MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. He leaves the Marlins behind and joins Ben Francisco, Brian Schneider, Greg Dobbs and Juan Castro on Philly’s bench.
by Pepsidude95 on Dec 9, 2009 12:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Kinda upset with this. I really hoped he would be back with the fish next year.. He was a big piece to our success last year in my opinion…
by Pepsidude95 on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What the Hell Beinfest????
The Rangers offered the Fish the No.2 and No.5 prospects in all of baseball (Neftali Feliz and Justin Smoak) as well as another stud pitching prospect for JJ and Beinfest turned it down. Maybe they really are keeping Johnson. Or maybe they’re really just that dumb. Can you please give me some in site as to what is going on behind closed doors? I’m losing my patience with this franchise. What the heck are they doing? And asking for Madison Bumgarner for Dan Uggla? Ya, that’s never going to happen. I’m losing faith in Beinfest.
by JP 23 on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No way this was really offered
I would be disappointed forever if the marlins turned this down. The Rangers would be ridiculous for offering it, and Beinfest even more so for rejecting it.
Yea they really did. Check mlbtraderumors.com
I’m shocked we turned that down. If JJ has a less than ace type season then we really screwed up!
by JP 23 on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, a lot of that stuff isn't true, is it?
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
marlins need to make a good deal (proposition)
They marlins are so committed to trading dan uggla and matt lindstrom, and yet they are too hesistant to make a deal, They want high prospect but don’t want to part with their own, which i understand. but they must make some moves. so this is what I’m proposing the marlins should do. They should try to get heath bell and adrian gonzalez at all cost possible. They could trade ugg and lindstrom, a starting pitcher as well as gaby sanchez( i think morrison is a much better prospect and has higher upside) and another prospect for bell and gonzalez. I know some people are thinking that both parties will never do that but, i think the marlins should. and even though they may say that gonzalez is too expensive, they can have him for a year and decide whether they want to trade him or sign him to a long term deal when they move into the new ballpark, he would definitely improve 1st base and bell would improve the bullpen. And san diego would receive pitching ( starting and relief) and offense of ugg and a avg 1st in sanchez.
It would be nice if the marlins were able to pull it off.
That deal is never going to happen.
San Diego wants Mike Stanto, either Logan Morrison or Cameron Maybin as well as Volstad or West for. That’s too much for my taste.
by JP 23 on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that for Bell and Gonzalez, or just Gonzalez?
Because I could take or leave Bell. Relief pitchers are a dime a dozen, and when you have the Marlins’ budget, you don’t want to get suckered into overpaying for one because he’s a “closer”.
But how much would they want for just Gonzalez? I don’t know if I would give up three of these guys for him, but I might be tempted to deal two. Gonzalez is the second-best hitter in baseball, in my opinion, and the Padres’ stadium is camouflaging that. (1.045 road OPS, anyone?)
Granted, we’d have to pay his salary on top of the deal, so it’d never really happen. But I’d give up a lot for Gonzalez — unless Pujols becomes a FA, he’s the kind of guy you’re not getting anywhere else.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
I have faith.
Clearly there is a lot of interest in our players. The FO has not shown me anything in the past several years that indicates to me they are clueless. I’m willing to wait it out just as they are. 1st base on the other hand, is such an easy position to fill I don’t really care what they do with it. But we have so much talent in the system I’m pretty sure the next couple years are going to be exciting.
faith and hope
I have faith that Beinfest has a vision for this team and is putting the pieces together for another competitive year. I hope that vision is a successful one.
But I’m wiling to sit back and let him work his magic until we get a better picture in spring training.
I'm sad to see Gload go, especially to the Phillies
Chris Coghlan for NLRoY
Miami Dolphins are headed back to the Playoffs!
Read and Weep, another great trade by IDIOTS
this is what they are saying in Houston about the GREAT PROSPECT we got for Matt:
“I completely agree with Baseball America’s Ben Badler that neither of these guys could have been in the Astros Top 30 prospects next season. Since the PTBNL is actually the Astros top selection in the Rule V draft, this is a very easy trade to make and probably one of the reasons it came together so quickly”
You wonder why we, the FANS, stayed away from the ball park last year and will continue to do so, BECAUSE OUR FRONT OFFICE STINKS…….
Trade quality players for hasbinds, proven players for rookies that will never be any better than AAA players. Why dont you Loria, Little Hitler and Beinfest get your carpetbaggers clother and move back to Montreal where you belong, even better go to China, they are as cheap as you guys. Wish you sell the team or move them from here, this area does not deserve you. Hey Cuban, yeah you Maverick owner, want to buy a great team from an idiot who hates baseball, loves art and count pennys???
PLEASE SELL THE TEAM, ENOUGH IN ENOUGH. WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK IN MLB.
Lindstrom isn't all that great
But two players who couldn’t crack the top 30 in a horrible farm system is pretty laughable. It is a bad move, but I don’t think it will make that much of an impact. Lindstrom has one of the most overrated fastballs in all of baseball, it reaches triple digits but it’s flat and has almost no movement.
I think Loria, Samson, and Beinfest have done a great job here getting us a Championship and a new stadium as well as a competitive team year in and year out without spending a dime.
As much as I might disagree with some of decisions the make, They do a great job. If it wasn’t for that awful lease they have, they’d spend a lot more, which is what they plan to do once the new stadium opens.
Though it would be pretty cool to have Mark Cuban as an owner. Every player would love to play for an owner like that. And he’ll spend a whole lot of money! As long as we keep Beinfest, I’d be fine with Cuban as an owner if Loria ever decides to sell the ball club.
by JP 23 on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what? We traded a minor-leaguer for two minor-leaguers.
Maybe we could’ve gotten more for him, and maybe neither one of these guys will amount to anything, but every team makes some mistakes. And the fact is, Lindstrom has never been that great a pitcher. He was all right for his first season, lucky for his second, awful last year… do you see where this trend is going? And how many one-dimensional fireballers have you seen go down the same path? Honestly, I think we can phrase this as “Houston took on his contract for some reason” and be done with it.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
NOBRAIN
Our front office is awesome. I think it’s telling that this guy’s name is “nobrain”. Did you recognize that Lindstrom is 29 and the guys we got in exchange are much much younger? Where in this trade is there a quality player or a proven player? Lindstrom serves up dingers like that’s his job.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/story/1374423.html
Excellent job by the miami herald of putting a picture of brian sanches in there.
Why? Pinto's actually good.
Heck, if he ever learns to cut down on his walks, he could be great. But he’s been an effective reliever for four years, and given the state of our bullpen, let’s not trade the effective relievers. Let’s just trade Lindstrom.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
He walks to many batters for my taste
He’s always had a good ERA because of his unusually high LOB% (79% in 2009). I’m not sure if he has some kind of skill for stranding runners, but it’s bound to come down sooner rather than later.
Not really.
When you consider his stats, he allows few hits, even fewer extra-base hits, and strikes out a lot of guys. Those three combined are going to lead to a lot of stranded batters: unless the bases are loaded, a walk doesn’t drive in a run.
Well, those FOUR combined… the walks actually bump up the LOB%, because it means he’s putting more guys on base who are relatively unlikely to score.
Actually, let’s make it 5… Pinto is great at holding runners. In his career, opposing base stealers are 5-for-13 against him. So that’s another point in his favor. So when you look at it, there are some demonstrable reasons why Pinto is substantially more effective than his WHIP.
Pinto he allowed an OPS of .713 to opponents last year. This is actually a little higher than his career average on .701, but basically this number has held steady for all four seasons of his career, and there’s no reason to expect any changes.
The league average OPS last year was .745.
Nunez allowed a .745 OPS. Lindstrom allowed an .804. Martinez allowed a .723. Sanches, Badenhop and Donnelly were all in the high .600s, Meyer at .638 and Calero at an impressive .530. (The only reliever better than JJ, who allowed a Bonifacio-esque .629 to opposing hitters.) So Pinto is right in the middle ther.
All of which is not to say Pinto’s closer material or anything. (Well, he’s more “closer material” than Lindstrom…) But he’s an effective reliever, and he’s been the same effective reliever for four years, which is a reliable sample size. (One season… isn’t really a reliable sample size for relievers.) Given how many relief arms we’re losing already, given our sparse minor league bullpen, and given that Pinto is a bargain, I don’t want to see him go. The Marlins cobbled together quite an effective bullpen last year seemingly out of nothing, but that’s not likely to happen again in ’10. We need some guys who we know can play.
It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...
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