Trade him now tho! His value at the moment is off the charts! We can get a HUGE haul for him. We’re working towards 2012 and we need the prospects we get for him to be ready by then. Don’t take a risk. One injury or underachieving season can change everything.

we need JJ, he was our only solid starter…this MUST get done

The Twins blogs are all putting Josh Johnson as offseason priority #2, right behind a Mauer extension. But we have had a huge range ideas of what a trade would require.

I know I saw some reports that it would Aaron Hicks and then a ton more, others have been Revere and Perkins. Just want to take the temperature of a Marlins blog. What do you think?

Thanks

I can see a deal for both JJ and Dan Uggla similar to the Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis trade to Detroit back in ‘07. If you recall, the Marlins recieved the Tigers #1 (Cameron Maybin), #3 (Andrew Miller), #7 (Eulogio De La Cruz, and 3 mid-level prospects (Mike Rabelo, Burke Badenhop, and Dallas Trahern). Unfortunately for us, we got the short end of the stick on that deal, but that’s the risk you take when you trade your two best players (at the time) for a bunch of unknown, unproven, but talented minor leaguers. Hopefully this time we’ll scout better. We could have had Jair Jurrgens instead of Miller. Bummer.

But anyways back to your question, if we included Uggla (which I think is a teal possibility) It would take something like Hicks, Wilson Ramos, Kyle Gibson, and 2 mid-level prospects. That’s a lot to give up. Personally, if I were the Twins, I would take a long hard look at Hicks and Ramos and ask myself “are they really going to be better pro players than an elite ace starter such as Johnson or a 2 time all star with middle of the line-up type power?” If the answer is no, than just hang up the phone (And call the Blue Jays and ask for Roy Halladay). IMO, speaking as a baseball fan and not a homer, I would think twice. JJ’s great and all, but he’s no Miguel Cabrera. However, a deal won’t get done unless the Marlins are overwhelmed. Marlins front office is always trying to win every deal. Fortunately for the Marlins, they’re smart. They know that It only takes one team to bite and give them the prospects they’re seeking. It’s gonna happen, It always does. Doesn’t mean it’s going to be the Twins, but if they are really that interested in JJ, all they need to do is look back at the ’07 Miguel Cabrera deal to have an idea of what it would cost.

And for Josh Johnson alone you ask? It would still take Hicks and Ramos and likely two mid-level pitching prospects. OR! It could cost you Ben Revere, Wilson Ramos, AND Kyle Gibson, and mid-level pitching prospect. Which deal would you prefer?

I just heard about this, and thought it I should pass it on to my new buddies of Marlins world.

A reputable Twins blogger, Thrylos of tenthinningstretch.blogspot.com says he has some info on a “blockbuster” trade in the works between the Twins and Marlins, via Twitter (Thrylos98)

The trade would be
Nolasco and Uggla (possibly something else)
for
Glen Perkins, Alexi Casilla, “highly rated prospects and other 25 man roster players”

He says that it would go down soon after Thanksgiving

Take this at face value, its a blogger.
But in my experiences, Thrylos is a long-time and reputable blogger though.

But regardless of how truthful this is, it’s interesting material

As for Nolasco and Uggla to the Twins, I find it hard to believe that the Twins would rather have Nolasco than JJ if the could get him (which they can now). But if this is true, I’d rather see a Ben Revere, Wilson Ramos, and two mid-level pitching prospects. Gives us Kenny Lofton Jr and a stud young catcher. Gives the Twins a solid #3 starter in the AL (who could potentially be a #2) and a middle of the line-up bat.

build a package around feliez/holland and smoak for Uggla and JJ.
I’m not sold on what the Twins have to offer but JJ is a St. Paul native

they would be willing to part with smoak because Uggla would fill the roll of a DH type player which is what they would have Davis/Smoak do anyways (both can’t play 1st). Or they have plenty of minor league depth other then Smoak.
Unless the Marlins can get a similar package for JJ I think they should just raise their offer. (reports are that The FO and JJ’s people have only talked for 30 minutes)
I view JJ as one of about 10 true aces in the game and I think is value is such (more then $22M over 3 years) and if the marlins let this type of talent get away it is truely a big mistake.

So now you have to weigh what the Twins have to offer, versus Jesus Montero.

Trade JJ, Uggla, Nolasco, Cantu, and Ross. We’re building towards 2012 anyways, and it’s become apparent that none of these guys are in our future plans. I say we get the prospects we need to build with now so that they’ll be ready by then. Best of all, we could still have a solid team without these guys with Coghlan, Maybin, Hanley, Volstad, West, Gaby Sanchez and Leo Nuńez still around.

Instead of Uggla, I think the Giants would be happier with Cantu and Ross since it fills there 2 biggest needs. Cantu and Ross for Conor Gillaspie, Nick Noonan, Clayton Tanner, Waldis Joaquin, and Brandon Crawford. For us it gives us the positional prospects that we’re lacking. Behind Michael Stanton, Logan Morrison, and Matt Dominguez, there is a huge lack of talent for positional prospects after that. We also get two pitchers who are highly talented. Tanner could be either a back end of the rotation starter or middle reliever. Waldis Joaquin could be a late inning reliever. A Jose Ceda, Ryan Tucker, and Waldis Joaquin trio at the back end of the bullpen would be excellent!

Trade Ricky Nolasco to the Twins for Wilson Ramos and Ben Tootle. We get the catcher of the future we need (now that Kyle Skipworth is a BUST!), and a mid-level pitching prospect with high upside.

Last but not least, JJ and Uggla for to the Rangers for Neftali Feliz, Justin Smoak and Derek Holland. We get 3 of the Rangers top 4 prospects. Yes. That may sound a bit much but they’re getting a top 10 ace and a middle of the line-up bat. Plus, they’re only giving up 3 prospects. I think it’s definitely fair!

And to make things better I’d sign Ardolis Chapman and Noel Argulles, the two Cuban defectors with the money we were gonna use on Josh Johnson! And sign a could veterans for cheap to replace the guys we traded. Maybe some guys that will be non-tendered like Conor Jackson, Bobby Jenks, Kelly Johnson, Scott Olsen, etc…

That will make me very happy! :) Ofcourse the chances of all this are slim to none. But this is the kind of crap that’s going on in my head. Lol. We’d still have a solid team this season and next, while having great teams after that!

1- Chris Coghlan, 2B
2- Cameron Maybin, CF
3- Hanley Ramirez, SS
4- Michael Stanton, RF
5- Justin Smoak, 1B
6- Logan Morrison, LF
7- Matt Dominguez, 3B
8- Wilson Ramos, C

Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Neftali Feliz, RHP
Derek Holland, LHP
Chris Volstad, RHP
Sean West, LHP

Jose Ceda, Closer
Ryan Tucker, Set-up Guy

On paper, that’s a championship team.

1- Chris Coghlan, 2B
2- Cameron Maybin, CF
3- Hanley Ramirez, SS
4- Michael Stanton, RF
5- Jesus Montero, C
6- Logan Morrison, 1B
7- Matt Dominguez, 3B
8- Austin Jackson, LF

Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Phil Hughes, RHP
Chris Volstad, RHP
Sean West, LHP
Chad James, LHP

Jose Ceda, Closer
Ryan Tucker, Set-up Guy

Also a very good team.

If JJ won’t take the deal, they should split the money they offered him and give it to Chapman and the other Cuban Defector, Noel Argulles. And I’m sure they would love to sign with the Marlins and live in Miami. Best of all, Chapman may be better than Josh Johnson which would mean that we could add a bunch of prospects for the future and still have an ace starter to take over for JJ’s absense.

And it shouldn’t have to cost that much. We could sign low risk/high reward players for inexpensive.

We can sign a Ben Sheets, Brad Penny, Noah Lowrey, or Chien Meng Wang as our No.3 starter and none should cost all that much.

For a bat, we could re-sign Nick Johnson or add Mark DeRosa, Rick Ankiel, Ryan Garko, Vladimir Gurerro, Hank Blalock, Jermaine Dye, etc….

And for a closer, we could sign JJ Putz or Brett Myers. Or we can move Anibal Sanchez or Andrew Miller (or both) to the Bullpen.

Ofcourse, this isn’t ever gonna happen cause our owner is a cheap ass.

Does anyone else think that story is not true? I just can’t imagine we were actually offered Smoak AND Feliz and we turned it down. I’m sorry but for Feliz and Smoak I would trade JJ in a second.