Stadium News - Sort of
The Braman lawsuit has entered the Twilight Zone.
{Note: I'm probably going to use more of Sarah Talalay's writings than permissible by the Fair Use Act, but I hope she will forgive me.)
So let's get started.
Bring the popcorn! Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Jeri Beth Cohen is hosting a movie night. Of sorts. In a move that even she called “unorthodox” Monday, Cohen will show the videos -- in the courtroom -- of the Florida Supreme Court hearing three cases related to one of the main arguments in auto dealer Norman Braman’s case against the Marlins, Miami and Miami-Dade County. Braman argues the public should vote on the financing for $3 billion worth of Miami projects, including a $515 million Marlins ballpark. Cohen is “torn” because she said she believes the state Supreme Court’s ruling last September in Gregory Strand v. Escambia County, which challenged the county using property tax dollars to pay off bonds without a public vote, does apply in the Braman case. However, the court is re-hearing the case so the decision is not final.
So basically, Judge Cohen is going to guess at the outcome of the re-hearing in the Florida Supreme Court to make her ruling accordingly.
Meanwhile, much of Monday was spent listening to the testimony of county witness Tony Villamil, president of Washington Economics Group, who had studied the potential sites for a Marlins ballpark in 2001, when John Henry owned the team. Villamil, who testified for more than six hours, studied Bicentennial Park, a site on the north side of the Miami River and a spot near Miami Arena.
Villamil testified about the amenity a ballpark provides for the community and its ability to spur economic development. He also said he believed if a new ballpark isn’t built, the Marlins will move from South Florida.
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“We know without a stadium we lose the Marlins,” Villamil said. “We know that.”
Even Cohen was not convinced. “We don’t know that,” she said. “…Major League Baseball controls that and it hasn’t been determined yet. It’s too early.”
May I suggest to Judge Cohen while she is having her movie festival she shows the tape of Bob DuPuy, MLB President and Chief Operating Officer, saying the county commissioners board meeting that this is it -- the last chance. If the Marlins can't secure a stadium in South Florida now, MLB will pull the team.
I saw it live and given Mr. DuPuy's demeanor, it was no idle threat.
Cohen and Martinez questioned how Villami could know what to expect, particularly if he hadn’t studied the most recent ballpark plan and had no idea if the Marlins will draw better in a new bllpark. “How can they know their attendance is going to go up?” Cohen said. “How do we know that?”
Oh, I don't know, but putting the stadium in one of the population centers so people can attend weeknight games should probably help, as opposed to where it is now where almost no one can attend.
Villamil said officials need to believe the Marlins – an idea that didn’t sit well with Cohen. She reminded the court that large companies, such as Bear Stearns, had suffered based on assumptions.
“I don’t mean to cross examine you,” Cohen said, “but I have a big decision to make.”
It's always nice when the judge is presenting the plaintiff's case for them.
Using Bear Stearns is probably one of the worst the analogies she could come up with. Bear Stearns was heavily invested in sub-prime repackage instruments that had no value whatsoever. They put it on the books at an inflated price hoping to find a bigger sucker to take off their hands before it was discovered.
That has nothing to do with the Marlins or MLB. Even if the Marlins attendance doesn't increase, I think it will but let's say it won't, the Marlins will make more money since most of the stadium revenues won't be going to Wayne Huizenga and instead to the Marlins and to Miami-Dade in the form of rent.
Really judge, you need to follow along.
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Marlin pen: Win + Save
by c60 on
Jul 22, 2008 9:05 AM EDT
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marlins pen: no ER
by stlcardinalsfang on
Jul 22, 2008 9:11 AM EDT
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Yikes
This case is starting to worry me.
by Matt Wilson on
Jul 22, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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I think
Cohen is on Braman’s books.
Somebody had to throw it out there, though I’m clearly kidding (had to spell it out, she doesn’t seem to pick up on that)
by jrsyeagle on
Jul 22, 2008 10:17 AM EDT
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Reading todays mid-day update on the trial...
Cohen again is asking questions that seem to side with Braman… trying to pick apart expert opinions is their job… isn’t it?
by jrsyeagle on
Jul 22, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
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Cohen
How can see not figure out attendance will go up with a damn roof? Absolutely asinine!
I guarantee she has never been to a ball game, especially an afternoon game when you almost need a damn IV to stay hydrated.
by HadMatter on
Jul 22, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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A Marlin fan strongly opposed to a new stadium...
Fishstripes states: “Oh, I don’t know, but putting the stadium in one of the population centers so people can attend weeknight games should probably help, as opposed to where it is now where almost no one can attend.”
I strongly disagree that the current stadium is now where almost no one can attend. The current site is centrally located for the tri-county area and is minutes away from Hollywood, Hallandale Beach, Aventura, Sunny Isles, North Miami, Miramar, Pembroke Pines, Hialeah, etc… Not to mention, the stadium has no problem drawing for the Dolphins or the Hurricanes.
I agree a new stadium will lift attendance as it has in Baltimore and Cleveland, etc…but let’s keep it real, the current location is easy to access for millions of people. Meanwhile the proposed site at what was the Orange Bowl will be very difficult for all but people who live in Miami to attend. Traffic will be a true problem. Parking will be a nightmare(can you imagine how long it will take for 30,000 fans to leave a multi level parking garage?). And the morality of building a monument to rich men in one of the poorest cities in the US while children are attending classes in mobile homes is dubious at best. Also the potential resale and windfall profit for owner Loria at the tax payer expense should cause everyone to pause at the potential for corruption in what has historically been a corrupt Miami government.
And last, the threat that the Marlins will leave if they don’t get their stadium not only seems to me to be blackmail, but somehow not truthful. Where are they to go? Las Vegas? Norfolk, Va.? Back to Montreal? It’s not as easy a move as a insecure Marlin fan might imagine.
The best choice, imo, is to stay put and work out a deal with Huizenga that would ensure the economic viability of the franchise. Eliminate afternoon games. Keep players around long enough for fans to identify with them. Build up good will and attendance. And stop blackmailing the taxpayers of Miami.
by fishtail on
Jul 23, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
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Hi Fishtail
I can respond to each and everyone of your points, but I don’t have the time to do it right now.
But I will. And then we can have a discussion that will probably change neither of our minds, but it should be fun.
by craig on
Jul 23, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
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Thanks...
I appreciate this forum to vent my contrary views and to root for my favorite team. I look forward to your side of the story. Go Marlins!
by fishtail on
Jul 23, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Great!
It won’t happen today either, but possibly late Friday night when I don’t have the day job as a pressure.
And believe me, taking a contrary view to mine, is warmly received. Especially since the bottom line is that we all just Marlins fans and all we want is for them to succeed.
by craig on
Jul 24, 2008 8:13 AM EDT
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