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I happened to be cruising the web and noticed something, the Nationals bloggers on mailbag day copy the questions asked and then answer provide the answers themselves.   Interesting.

Well, here at FishStripes, we don't do that, but one question and answer, in today's mailbag, did catch my eye and I want to present it.

From an outsider's perspective, it looks like the Marlins got swindled by the Nationals. Florida received an unpolished pitching prospect, a defense-only second baseman and an offense-only second baseman, despite the fact that it already has a pretty good second baseman. And the club gave up two known quantities in Josh Willingham and Scott Olsen. Please help this trade make sense.
-- Kevin H., Westminster, Md.

Last week's trade, obviously, generated a great deal of attention and e-mails. Trading popular players usually draws negative reactions, understandably so. Fans get attached to players, and Willingham and Olsen were drafted and groomed by the Marlins, so it is tough to let them go.

Some fans are saying another "fire sale" is under way. My take is this. Hanley Ramirez is the best player on the Marlins. He is one of the best players in the game. And Ramirez is signed for six years, and he isn't going anywhere. So the team's best player is back. Ricky Nolasco and Josh Johnson are the team's best two starting pitchers. Neither is going anywhere. Chris Volstad is the third best pitcher on the squad, and he also is back. So this idea of a "fire sale" -- I don't believe it carries weight.

The other thing is this front office has made lots of moves since assuming ownership in 2002. So often there is outrage, only to see the deals pan out. Granted, not every one does, but a number of them do. So I haven't hit the panic button, because the team is basically doing what it said it would do. They are trimming off power for more speed, athleticism and defense. Also, the team isn't done dealing yet. By the time Spring Training rolls around, I fully expect this club to be a serious contender in the National League East.

 

Okay.

Did anyone else notice he didn't answer the question?  Sure he setup a straw man, fire sale, and answered that -- sort of.  But the person didn't mention fire sale, he wanted it explained how the Marlins didn't get "swindled" on the trade with the Nats.

The best you can say for his answer on the Nats trade is he took a wait and see, it might work out approach.  But even then, at this point in time, he can't justify the trade but didn't say that explicitly.

Really, one shouldn't be too hard on Mr. Frisaro about this.  I mean, after all, he works for the Marlins organization and it is impossible to justify the unjustifiable.

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There have actually been a few places that have justified the trade. Dave Cameron does it on Fangraphs here, and Christina Kahrl on Baseball Prospectus here, although this one is for subscribers only.

by Aram H on Nov 18, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Justification

But basically the justifications in these articles are “salary dump” and “Willingham and Olsen are just as sucky as Bonifacio & Co.” Oh yeah, I guess it would look pretty bad if Frisaro said that!

by hurricane on Nov 18, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

So freakin' tired of this.

“The Marlins are going to rebuild around speed and defense.”

Great. Except all glove with no bat doesn’t win a title, and you need to actually get on base to display your speed. I’m fine the “speed and defense” thing, but the players we got from Washington to execute this plan are just straight shitty.

And I’d like someone to please freaking point out that “speed and defense” don’t do you any good when you’re on the bench. Bonifacio won’t unseat Uggla, and if they actually trade Uggla to make room for Slappy McSingle, this team will take a nosedive. Of all the problems we had last year, I don’t think defense or production from second base were high among them.

So in essence, yeah Craig, that was a ridiculous filibuster of an “answer” in that column. I think maybe Samson ghost-wrote it.

by Fishcrazy on Nov 18, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

defense

As much as I love “speed and defense”, I’m with fish crazy. Not gold glovers by any means but both Uggla and Willingham seem to me to be good enough ie, their replacements aren’t going to win many games for us with their defense.. They both hustle and play hard which is more than I can say for Hermida.

by brickell on Nov 18, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

makes you wonder why Amezaga isn't starting.

Hell, he’s fast and plays great defense. He’s apparently the embodiment of everything the Marlins should be. Who knew?

by Fishcrazy on Nov 18, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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