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The Sky Is Falling

A.J. Burnett forgot to show up again last night, at least for the 3rd inning, so we were subjected to another Nuke LaLoosh show. About the only thing worse than walking Roger Clemens with the bases loaded would be walking Randy Johnson. There may not have been two more ill-equipped hitters in the history of baseball.

A.J. went into last night's game talking about how it was the biggest start of his career. Assuming that's true (and I think that it is/was), last night's performance has to be the biggest failure of A.J.'s career. That wasn't exactly the headlining performance that you want in the front of people's minds as you head to the bargaining table as a free agent this offseason.

Sadly, this has brought us to the realization (in mid-September, in the heat of a playoff push) that the Marlins' Big Three is no more. Dontrelle Willis is still there. As Jack McKeon refers to him, the A-Train is the Marlins' "horse". Josh Beckett is still there too, at least most of the time. That at least gives the Fish a big One And A Half, which is significantly less impressive sounding than Big Three.

There are sixteen games left in the regular season. One is tonight against the Astros and Andy Pettitte. There are three games this weekend against the Phils. There are also six games remaining against the Braves and six more games total between the fading, but still dangerous, Mets and Nationals.

One has to hope that the Marlins fare well over these next two and a half weeks. If not, we're going to be subjected to some nasty offseason talk that much sooner. Headlining that talk (apparently, because it's getting louder everyday) is that Carlos Delgado will likely be moved.

I'm not sure what to make of this at this point. Carlos Delgado's salary goes from $4 million this year to $13 million next year. Apparently the Marlins have just now realized that they can't really afford to pay that much salary to one player. I don't know how they're just realizing this. There is no excuse. Even if the stadium deal (you know - where the Marlins low-balled the costs and are now screaming at the city/county/state to just cough up the nine-figure difference) had gone through, the Marlins wouldn't be realizing the benefits (extra revenue) from it for the 2006 campaign. Delgado's salary was going to be nearly impossible for them to bear (if you are to believe their version of the secret financial statements).

Maybe the situation is made worse by Mike Lowell's poor performance. Lowell has been reduced to a late-inning, defensive replacement. However, for the next two seasons that will cost a total of $18 million. For what the Fish are getting out of Lowell, that's a huge waste of money. Given what Lowell is likely to produce, it would probably be more entertaining for the Fish to broadcast that $18 million being flushed down a toilet. At least you would know what you were going to get out of the flushing experience and you wouldn't get your hopes up that things will turn around.

But that's not going to happen. What's more likely is that the Fish will try to move Lowell come November. They're unlikely to find a taker - at least not unless the Marlins are willing to pay a large chunk of Lowell's salary. Then, although Delgado is considerably more expensive, the Fish will find that Carlos Delgado's contract can be moved. I have no idea what they'll get in return. But moving Delgado could open up a hole in the lineup. My guess (or is that fear) is that Lowell will be moved to first base. At that point not only will his bat continue to be a liability, but the benefit of his strong defense will be completely lost.

Let's hope they start winning again tonight and that we don't have to talk about such things until November (at the earliest).

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Well, this is me when I realize that Willis is starting and that Burnett will be on the bench:

by bigwillie on Sep 15, 2005 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

low-balled?
Two years have passed for the costs of land*, materials and personnel to jump.

* Considering they haven't even come to a definitive conclusion on the specific land parcel, it wouldn't surprise me if all the real estate in the neighborhood is increasing at rates once never thought.

by rferry on Sep 15, 2005 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Low-balled
They low-balled the cost of the retractable roof. Most folks thought that the Marlins estimate for the stadium was $100-million (or more) under reality when they first proposed it. The cost of the land and the materials aren't the issue here. Everyone is focusing on that, but they're missing out on statements like this:
The club estimated construction costs alone for a retractable-roof stadium near the Orange Bowl would cost $385 million -- a number Burgess said has not been verified and which county officials say is likely suspect.

The Marlins don't really have a plan here. They have a lot of smoke and mirrors. There's plenty of debate as to how realistic their cost estimates are. Most stadium folks think that the Marlins figures are grossly understated. And who's going to foot the bill for the overruns? The Marlins can't afford them.

And it hasn't been anywhere near two years. This $420 million all-in cost and $385 figure has only been bandied about since April. People are getting worked up because the Loria/Samson machine is pulling strings behind the scenes to create a sense of urgency.

Even if this stadium does get built, the Marlins will likely have to pay such a large share of the incremental money to the city/county/state or share so much of it that they won't be able to afford any more of a team than they field today.

Why should the taxpayers be in favor of subsidizing Loria's losses without any proof that they exist? I love baseball and go to plenty of games, but I'm not willing to take on Loria's bills. If he can't make it work here, I hope that he moves the team or sells them to someone who can afford to run them.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can We...
... just go to a 4-man rotation now and sideline Nuke until further notice?
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 15, 2005 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe
There's an off-day on the 19th and the 29th. I suppose you could use those to go to a 4-man. But the stretch between the 20th and the 28th is pretty long for guys who haven't trained to go on a four day pattern.

I don't know. I don't think Jack is going to do anything that drastic and I don't know that he should.

Besides, if this team is going anywhere in the playoffs, A.J. is going to have to step up.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...
At least have him skip one start to get a little rest in. Hell, we're going with Big Moe tomorrow, we can put Valdez in Nuke's spot this once.
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 15, 2005 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I might like that
Actually, I like the thought of bumping Burnett to the pen for one turn. That could send a heck of a wake up call to him.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 15, 2005 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I agree with your overall point about Nick
Clemens is a pretty good athlete, and not a bad hitter (for a pitcher).  .218 with 12 hits, 2 doubles and 4 RBI is not terrible for a pitcher.

I mean yeah, he still walked a picther, and that is unexcusable... I'm just saying it's not like Nick walked AJ Burnett (.113BA).

Fear The Mig, Believe in the DTrain
They don't suck.

by fishfan24 on Sep 15, 2005 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

A moment of self-reflection
I just realized that I like to disagree with almost everything that anyone says.  Wow... I hope that doesn't get too annoying.  I generally try to drum up some kind of factual backing, but I'm not sure that helps.

I see your point with the Clemens thing... he's a pitcher he's spent (almost) his entire career in th AL.  You should not walk him under any circumstances, let alone the circumstance under which AJ walked him.  AJ sucks.  I'm with Danny Boy, let's fire AJ.

OK, maybe now I'm being too agreeable.

Fear The Mig, Believe in the DTrain
They don't suck.

by fishfan24 on Sep 15, 2005 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually - I was with you
I went off the top of my head about Clemens at the plate. You used stats. That's fine.

Besides, you don't have to agree with everything - or anything. The commentary is supposed to be the fun part.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ironically Enough...
You throw out that 2nd inning, and Nuke didn't even really have a terrible outing. He technically had a quality start (which is something we've been lacking outside of Josh and Dontrelle lately). Unfortunately, he ran into the Rocket, who was even more determined than usual.
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 15, 2005 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
And if you throw out a little of this and a little of that, I'm a freaking Hall of Famer waiting to happen.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey...
Throwing out one inning is legal. It's throwing out 2 or 3 innings in one single game that should be made fun of. :-P
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 16, 2005 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im sorry
but Al Leiter did not deserve a vote. I cant believe a Marlin fan picked him over the other people on that list. Hell, Josh Johnson would get the nod before F Leiter if it was up to me.
Mmmm....Fish Sticks

by Jsprtold on Sep 15, 2005 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Who voted for Leiter?
Stranded voted for Burnett (and so did someone else too).

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Vargas
Mmmm....Fish Sticks

by Jsprtold on Sep 15, 2005 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh
I voted for Big Moe.

by mike42 on Sep 15, 2005 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto
(For Big Moe, that is.)
Eliminate and abolish redundancy!

by danielfred1235 on Sep 15, 2005 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well of course
With both AJ and Lowell pretty much useless down the stretch, should we have traded them to the Orioles in late July?
Mmmm....Fish Sticks

by Jsprtold on Sep 15, 2005 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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